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Old 08-14-2007, 09:53 AM
 
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But you know what REALLY turns me off, and makes me want to run the other direction? PRIDE! There are a couple individuals I know that are utterly OVERFLOWING and gushing with self-pride.
One aspect to (at least the English) language is that dennotations of words can conflict with each other. The word pride can mean either a justified sense of self-respect (which is very positive) or an inflated sense of self-worth (pure arrogance).

To me, possessing pride, in a general sense, is simply confidence. For instance, one should take pride in his work. However, arrogance is rude, counter-productive, disrespectful, and highly annoying!
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Old 08-14-2007, 09:59 AM
 
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The worst sin for the sinner is the sin of unbelief, because there is no chance of forgiveness without belief.

Tell you what. The rapists, murderers, and pedophiles can move into your neighborhood. I'll take those nasty old non-believers who don't commit any other sins.

Sounds like a very fair deal to both of us.
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Old 08-14-2007, 10:17 AM
 
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For our sin is cast into the deepest part of the sea... and God not only forgives us through Christ.... but He forgets.
But victims of certain crimes and the families of murdered victims have to live with the results of the crime. That's why Christianity --IF it is true that evil deeds are forgiven simply by asking -- seems like a very vile religion.
There's really no accountabilty.
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Old 08-14-2007, 10:21 AM
 
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I believe all sin is treated the same. Did Jesus not die for all sins. I believe he did, no matter how great or small.
I seriously thank you for stating your opinion as an opinion and not a fact. I personally disagree but have a lot more respect for your opinion when it is not paraded as an arrogant fact!
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Old 08-14-2007, 10:32 AM
 
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The greatest sin known to man:

Putting *beans* in chili.

Seriously, nothing on earth is more foul, traitorous or evil.
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Old 08-14-2007, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Texas
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But victims of certain crimes and the families of murdered victims have to live with the results of the crime. That's why Christianity --IF it is true that evil deeds are forgiven simply by asking -- seems like a very vile religion.
There's really no accountabilty.
Well, I think there is accountability in this life which is supported in the New Testament (Romans 12) through our laws etc. I think the Bible indicates that there are levels of reward or lack of them in heaven based on our actions. I don't know if this refers to before accepting Christ or after. Actually, the verse Dave references about our sins being thrown in the depth of the sea is from the Old Testament. Anyway, my point is that I think God does require accountablility in this life (through the laws of society.) And I think that even though maybe through Christ we received forgiveness from the penalty of eternal death, I'm not sure if we don't suffer some loss in the next because of our actions.
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Old 08-14-2007, 02:31 PM
 
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But victims of certain crimes and the families of murdered victims have to live with the results of the crime. That's why Christianity --IF it is true that evil deeds are forgiven simply by asking -- seems like a very vile religion.
There's really no accountability.

So are you saying hell is the best part of Christianity because the people who don't accept Christ have to pay for their sins? You might be but you would be the first person I have ever met who was not a Christian who is glad Hell exist. If you don't like hell, then why are you mad that people who are truly sorry for their sins and hate what they did, escape Hell?

I know it is hard to accept that murders can get forgiven, but it strikes me that someone who could commit a murder would have to have a very cold heart. Cold hearted people have a very difficult time giving love to anyone, and someone who can not love can't get accepted by Christ. So some murders will be in heaven my belief is that they will be rare.

We also have a belief in Christianity that those who are forgiven of much love much. People who come to Christianity after many years of being drug addicts,and gang members tend to show their faith in drastic ways volunteering to do things like feed people in war zones, stuff that make many of the people who were raised Christian shake in their boots at the thought of doing. There love for their fellow man, and God is amazing!
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Old 08-14-2007, 02:48 PM
 
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So are you saying hell is the best part of Christianity because the people who don't accept Christ have to pay for their sins? You might be but you would be the first person I have ever met who was not a Christian who is glad Hell exist. If you don't like hell, then why are you mad that people who are truly sorry for their sins and hate what they did, escape Hell?
I'll try to clarify. A Christian G-d who would allow a rapist or pedophile into heaven just because the criminal "bee-leaves" yet would send a atheist to hell, based not on actions, but merely on beliefs -- is a vile G-d. And my soul cannot accept such a disgusting vision of our Creator.

On earth, actions are much more important than beliefs.
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Old 08-14-2007, 07:25 PM
 
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I'll try to clarify. A Christian G-d who would allow a rapist or pedophile into heaven just because the criminal "bee-leaves" yet would send a atheist to hell, based not on actions, but merely on beliefs -- is a vile G-d. And my soul cannot accept such a disgusting vision of our Creator.

On earth, actions are much more important than beliefs.
Now I am the one who needs to clarify, Going to hell isn't about non belief in Jesus, it is about sin. If you can find me a person who has never sinned I will show you a person who is going to heaven, and since they would not need to be forgiven for anything they would not need Jesus to get there.

The reason you need Jesus to escape hell is that someone needs to pay the price for your sins, you can choose to pay for your own sins, or you can accept Jesus gift of paying for your sins so you don't have to.

One of the reasons why I have been so passionate about this one thread is I believe the unbiblical lie that all sins are equal has created allot of people who hate God for no reason. In an earlier post on this thread I tried to prove that all sins are different, and deserve different punishments. I believe those who have committed the most vile crimes to humanity will experience the most vile level of hell, those who lived somewhat more respectable lives will experience less punishment. Going to hell is very much about behavior.

Going to heaven is about perfection, of God wasn't willing to forgive we all would end up in Hell, failing perfection it is about not only accepting that Christ exist, but a willingness to accept his gift and be greatful to him for it.
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Old 08-14-2007, 07:40 PM
 
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I'd say that torturing children is the most repulsive one I can think of.
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