does agnostic = atheism or vice versa (Satan, God, believe, heaven)
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Originally Posted by Boxcar Overkill
Everyone has their own definitions. Some people make a technical distinction between "knowledge" and "belief."
I don't.
I describe a person who believes a god does exist as a theist.
A person who believes a god does not exist as an atheist.
And a person who doesn't take a position either way as an agnostic.
To me, that best conforms to the everyday usage of the words.
Yes it's pretty simple. Some might define me as an agnostic because I don't feel 100% sure there's a God, but believe there is (it's just my nature to leave room for doubt in almost anything). But I think I better fit a theistic position because I definitely lean much more towards there being a God.
On the other hand I would call myself totally 'agnostic' about the idea of extra-terrestrial life. I basically have no opinion one way or the other; am split 50/50 on the issue. I just can't say.
so does the following set of questions have any logic:
1st....is there a god? typical response(s): yes, no and I don't know
2nnd....do you believe in god?
now if you answered yes to (1), then the 2nd should be yes as well.
if you answered no to (1), then the 2nd should be no as well.
but what if you answered "i don't know"?
shouldn't logic then conclude that your answer to question (2) is "no" as well?
As I heard it the other day, agnostics and atheists are really two peas in the same pod but agnostics just have a hard time admitting it and taking the next step.
As an example (call it good or bad, IDC), if you call yourself an agnostic you cannot be a youth or adult member of the BSA....
Any thoughts?
Probably that is the case in most cases. However, many people "believe" in a god even though they do not "know" for sure if one exists. That is why they call it "faith."
Everyone has their own definitions. Some people make a technical distinction between "knowledge" and "belief." If we can all have our own definitions, there will eventually be no worthwhile communication.
I don't.
It isn't merely "technical". They are two entirely different things. Atheism and agnosticism are not measures of the same thing.
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To me, that best conforms to the everyday usage of the words.
The "everyday usage" of the words is sadly mistaken. I don't think it is a good idea to make no effort to correct it.
It isn't merely "technical". They are two entirely different things. Atheism and agnosticism are not measures of the same thing.
The "everyday usage" of the words is sadly mistaken. I don't think it is a good idea to make no effort to correct it.
The Atheist and Theist have proclaimed absolutes the Agnostic simply proclaims he does not know. It's that simple.
Theists base the existence of their god on absolutely zero evidence of their god.
Atheists base the absence of any god on absolutely zero evidence of any god.
Theists base the existence of their god on absolutely zero evidence of their god.
Atheists base the absence of any god on absolutely zero evidence of any god.
Which fails the test of logic?
Again the Agnostic says he does not know.
I doubt you will find any extremism in Agnosticism; some extremist would like to include the Agnostics for propagandic reasons but it's not the same.
There are three different positions to choose from; enjoy your choice.
Again the Agnostic says he does not know.
I doubt you will find any extremism in Agnosticism; some extremist would like to include the Agnostics for propagandic reasons but it's not the same.
There are three different positions to choose from; enjoy your choice.
So, as an atheist (since "you" don't count as a supernatural deity), do you consider yourself to be an extremist with an "absolute" position? It doesn't appear to me that you do. Like, any other atheist, you just don't happen to currently hold a belief in any gods. This does not mean that you (we) hold the "absolute" position that gods therefore do not exist.
So, as an atheist (since "you" don't count as a supernatural deity), do you consider yourself to be an extremist with an "absolute" position?
I'am not sure what this has to do with the Op. You ask which God and I've told you. Now if you are asking if whether or not I care if you were to go to some hell/heaven or not...the answer is no I don't care.
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