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I don't know much about this whole subject, but isn't it possible that the earth as a planet has been around for billions of years, and so have the stars and other heavenly bodies, but that God just inhabited the earth more recently? I mean, does Genesis even talk about the creation of our planet? I don't know... I suppose then you have to answer the question of "Let there be light" (ie: did God create the sun during that week... which wouldn't make sense if the earth already existed because how could we be part of a solar system without a "solar" )... but perhaps the creation account was written from the physical perspective of earth. Perhaps it was dark on earth for some other reason up until then (atmospheric, or something like that. Or maybe the sun didn't give off light until God said so..). I dunno
I cant find anything in the teachings of Jesus that require one to believe (or disbelieve) in a flat earth, a 10,000year old or less age of Earth, science, evolution, or anything else.
The message of Jesus is ALL about being right with God, and right with fellow humans. All else is irrelevant, despite what the thumpers may claim.
My apologies for my short temper. I'm not human tonight.
I'm willing to believe that God created the universe, earth and mankind. I'm even willing to accept a 'big bang' theory (God said it and "bang", it was created). If the Bible specifically said that God created the earth 6,000-10,000 years ago, then, of course, I would stand on that as truth. But, it doesn't! (People get that time span by calculating the ages of Bible figures down through the ages). Of course, God "had no idea that detractors would do this.
One thing the Bible clearly states (and I believe) is that God created "time", as we understand it, on the fourth day ... "so man (not eternal God) would have a way to mark seasons, days and years" -- How long did the first three 'timeless, eternal days of God' last?? Who knows or really cares, except those who want to use human wisdom to disprove an infinite, creator-God.
... And evolution really doesn't have anything to do with the discredited 'theoretical science' - that some pretend to worship. The real issue is 'Accountability to God!' If people can rationalize their own evolution from swamp gas, then, they have no accountability to anyone/thing but, themselves. But, if God created man, then, like it or not, men are accountable to God!
I'm willing to believe that God created the universe, earth and mankind. I'm even willing to accept a 'big bang' theory (God said it and "bang", it was created). If the Bible specifically said that God created the earth 6,000-10,000 years ago, then, of course, I would stand on that as truth. But, it doesn't! (People get that time span by calculating the ages of Bible figures down through the ages). Of course, God "had no idea that detractors would do this.
One thing the Bible clearly states (and I believe) is that God created "time", as we understand it, on the fourth day ... "so man (not eternal God) would have a way to mark seasons, days and years" -- How long did the first three 'timeless, eternal days of God' last?? Who knows or really cares, except those who want to use human wisdom to disprove an infinite, creator-God.
... And evolution really doesn't have anything to do with the discredited 'theoretical science' - that some pretend to worship. The real issue is 'Accountability to God!' If people can rationalize their own evolution from swamp gas, then, they have no accountability to anyone/thing but, themselves. But, if God created man, then, like it or not, men are accountable to God!
That's correct. Evolution has absolutely no answer for time. What we would expect would be randomness and unpredictability. This is true for most of the evolution arguments. We would expect randomness, not uniform Laws. So the whole concept fall flat on its face really as they borrow from the Scriptural principles they attempt to deny.
I've provided some pretty good presentations that present the other story. I advise all to at least get both sides. Good Scientists recognize their World View bias and try to be objectionable to the data. We only get one side inculcated into our thinking since we had this Evolution propaganda taught to us in our Public Schools at a young age. So this has, whether we want to believe it or not, helped mold our thinking to the "Ascending Man" old Universe mentality. The infallibility of the Scriptures are an issue. God said all was made in 6 Literal days writing it on two pieces of stone - the Ten Commandments. The Bible doesn't have great gaps in it, but everything is recorded through Genealogies and historical landmarks.
In the end, you are right. All this ultimately comes down to one concept, Accountability to our Maker. The Scriptures say our Maker became a Man as the Messiah to reconcile a fallen Creation and its species back to him. He also says those that reject him have a very bleak destiny.
If Creationists are wrong (which we aren't) our body goes back to the Earth. None of this really mattered in the end. If the Evolution Theologians are wrong, than there will be a day in which they are standing before their Maker.
The Scriptures are clear this will be a terrifying day for all of us (believers included). I can not imagine how terrifying it will be with NO HOPE getting sentenced to an eternity without the source of all light, love, and hope. Wow people going down this path are crazy.
I'm willing to believe that God created the universe, earth and mankind. I'm even willing to accept a 'big bang' theory (God said it and "bang", it was created). If the Bible specifically said that God created the earth 6,000-10,000 years ago, then, of course, I would stand on that as truth. But, it doesn't! (People get that time span by calculating the ages of Bible figures down through the ages). Of course, God "had no idea that detractors would do this.
One thing the Bible clearly states (and I believe) is that God created "time", as we understand it, on the fourth day ... "so man (not eternal God) would have a way to mark seasons, days and years" -- How long did the first three 'timeless, eternal days of God' last?? Who knows or really cares, except those who want to use human wisdom to disprove an infinite, creator-God.
... And evolution really doesn't have anything to do with the discredited 'theoretical science' - that some pretend to worship. The real issue is 'Accountability to God!' If people can rationalize their own evolution from swamp gas, then, they have no accountability to anyone/thing but, themselves. But, if God created man, then, like it or not, men are accountable to God!
Hey jghorton.. random question... are you an open theist? just curious You said "God had no idea detractors would do this".
Meh... I also don't really know why the age of the earth is relevant. Maybe it is to do with whether humans "evolved" or were actually created literally out of the dust. I go with literally out of the dust, but I still don't get how earth's age has anything to do with that.
I don't know much about this whole subject, but isn't it possible that the earth as a planet has been around for billions of years, and so have the stars and other heavenly bodies, but that God just inhabited the earth more recently? I mean, does Genesis even talk about the creation of our planet? I don't know... I suppose then you have to answer the question of "Let there be light" (ie: did God create the sun during that week... which wouldn't make sense if the earth already existed because how could we be part of a solar system without a "solar" )... but perhaps the creation account was written from the physical perspective of earth. Perhaps it was dark on earth for some other reason up until then (atmospheric, or something like that. Or maybe the sun didn't give off light until God said so..). I dunno
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Meh... I also don't really know why the age of the earth is relevant. Maybe it is to do with whether humans "evolved" or were actually created literally out of the dust. I go with literally out of the dust, but I still don't get how earth's age has anything to do with that.
Just a thought, Steph . . . if WE are dust (and we are) . . . why wouldn't our primate precursors be the dust into which God breathed a living soul after they had evolved sufficiently to be a suitable "temple" for it. As I said . . . just a thought.
Just a thought, Steph . . . if WE are dust (and we are) . . . why wouldn't our primate precursors be the dust into which God breathed a living soul after they had evolved sufficiently to be a suitable "temple" for it. As I said . . . just a thought.
Of course there are lots of theories on how to understand the Genesis account.
I reckon the main truths are that God created all life, including mankind in His image, starting with Adam and Eve (however you interpret 'starting'); they disobeyed God, and their posterity suffer certain consequences as a result.
Evolution is a RELIGIOUS science fiction Ideology. Age estimates are based upon ASSUMPTIONS that Evolution is true.
Where did you get that? That's bass ackwards. Evolution has no bearing on "Age estimates." In fact ancient age estimates were being calculated prior to the ToE was even developed. It is the evolutionists that are stuck with the age estimates that geologists give them, not the other way around.
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)... but perhaps the creation account was written from the physical perspective of earth. Perhaps it was dark on earth for some other reason up until then (atmospheric, or something like that. Or maybe the sun didn't give off light until God said so..). I dunno 
