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Old 07-23-2012, 06:34 PM
 
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That's truth. Pilate, however, didn't get a response from Jesus when he asked "what is truth?" Why do you think the question went unanswered? How would you respond to the question?
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Old 07-23-2012, 08:23 PM
 
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When the Buddha was asked what is Truth by the Demiurge Baka Bramah; the Buddha replied:

"Find out for yourself what is truth, what is real. Discover that there are virtuous things and there are non-virtuous things. Once you have discovered for yourself (this objective moral truth) give up the bad and embrace the good."
- The Buddha

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Jesus knew that it was written, and Jesus likely heard it said, that God is Truth, and thus Truth is God. He could not have responded to Pilate without insulting him, as Pilates people had deep faith that The Divine (gods) was the truth. Jesus is quoted as saying "I am the truth"... how can a human be the truth, how can a manifestation be the truth, Jesus was likely talking about his "message" as being the truth.

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Lord Krishna told his beloved king Arjuna: There is no truth beyond me.

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Muhammad believed all Truth is God's Truth, and that is Islam.

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Old 07-24-2012, 05:40 AM
 
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When the Buddha was asked what is Truth by the Demiurge Baka Bramah; the Buddha replied:

"Find out for yourself what is truth, what is real. Discover that there are virtuous things and there are non-virtuous things. Once you have discovered for yourself (this objective moral truth) give up the bad and embrace the good."
- The Buddha

____________________

Jesus knew that it was written, and Jesus likely heard it said, that God is Truth, and thus Truth is God. He could not have responded to Pilate without insulting him, as Pilates people had deep faith that The Divine (gods) was the truth. Jesus is quoted as saying "I am the truth"... how can a human be the truth, how can a manifestation be the truth, Jesus was likely talking about his "message" as being the truth.

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Lord Krishna told his beloved king Arjuna: There is no truth beyond me.

_____________________

Muhammad believed all Truth is God's Truth, and that is Islam.

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Yep That is what I say...God Is truth, and truth is God...But Jesus also claimed to be the truth or the truth was in him..and he in it...So the Son is part of the truth...and the truth is on part of the Son....The Son leads us to the truth if we follow the way he said..."sell it all, Give it to the poor fools who want it, then follow me"...and only then can we follow...Idols are not allowed...hence the rich man never gets in...but the camels do....so...we have word on how to find the truth...by the son.
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Old 07-24-2012, 06:46 AM
 
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How would you respond to the question?

Existence is truth.

Science is like a finger pointing to the truth.

Religious claims to the truth are based on desires that fulfill the ego.
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Old 07-24-2012, 03:49 PM
 
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What's that famous line? "You can't handle the truth!"

Exposition on the meaning of life, for example, creates a vast jungle of thought--and imagination.

What would happen if we really knew what the "truth" is?

Would our limited ceebral capacity be able to contain it, much less understaned it?

Would our under-developed spiritual selves be able to accept it?

Some of us seek a truth in very much the same way an adventurer-explorer seeks new lands and untold riches. For a few, satiety is never achieved; they are not satisfied with what they have discovered or achieved. There is always another hill/mountain, another ocean to cross, another treasure hidden in the land.

On the other hand, there are a few who are quite comfortable with the small regional understanding of their environment. Beyond the horizon, there is "nothing" to be concerned about; there is "nothing" of importance; in fact, there is "nothing" there. All the truth is contained within their own self-designed borders.

There are another group of folks who simply shrug their shoulders and cry: "Who cares?" Truth is irrelevant to the daily eeking out an existence.

In our unending struggle to define a "truth," we do, in fact, set up parameters that will inevitably cause us to fail. "No, that can't be right." "I absolutely reject that idea." "That doesn't make any sense!"

If "truth" is individualistic--meanng that it exists only within the limitations of the mind and imagination--then there can be no single truth. Although, if there exists an Absolute Truth, then each of us in composing our own truth would be adding to the sum total of this Absolute Truth.

But wouldn't it be a kick in the head if it were someday revealed to us that there is no "truth" at all?
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:36 PM
 
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Interesting question. What is truth? Well, since each and every one of us have our own definition of what truth is, then it only stands to reason that the only truth that matters is what is truth to us as individuals. Your truth may not be the same as mine but who's to say which is the real truth and which isn't, personally I would say that they're both right and that there is no wrong.
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Old 07-25-2012, 07:57 PM
 
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Most of us claim we seek truth - but I think that's very doubtful. The majority are more interested in whatever "truth" matches their pre-conceived notions. It's very difficult for someone to accept a "truth" they are not already partial to... I don't claim to be above this from time to time.







What about this one? >>>> This sentence is false.
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Old 07-25-2012, 07:59 PM
 
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Interesting question. What is truth? Well, since each and every one of us have our own definition of what truth is, then it only stands to reason that the only truth that matters is what is truth to us as individuals. Your truth may not be the same as mine but who's to say which is the real truth and which isn't, personally I would say that they're both right and that there is no wrong.
I dunno - that sounds like extreme postmodernism to me.

Are you using the term "truth" as a general term denoting "world-view"?
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Old 07-25-2012, 08:44 PM
 
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Most of us claim we seek truth - but I think that's very doubtful. The majority are more interested in whatever "truth" matches their pre-conceived notions. It's very difficult for someone to accept a "truth" they are not already partial to... I don't claim to be above this from time to time.







What about this one? >>>> This sentence is false.
That sentence is actually nonsense. sentences have no true or false qualities to them. Its like saying: "This symbol is wrong."
truth and falsehood are not qualities of sentences but of the ideas they are used to symbolized.
Just like you can't say: "this sentence is (or is not) falling" or "this sentence is happy" or "this sentence hurts" or "this sentence is 89 degrees Celsius (a quality of the ink or paper, not the sentence)". etc
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Old 07-25-2012, 09:52 PM
 
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Yep That is what I say...God Is truth, and truth is God...But Jesus also claimed to be the truth or the truth was in him..and he in it...So the Son is part of the truth...and the truth is on part of the Son....The Son leads us to the truth if we follow the way he said..."sell it all, Give it to the poor fools who want it, then follow me"...and only then can we follow...Idols are not allowed...hence the rich man never gets in...but the camels do....so...we have word on how to find the truth...by the son.
One of the most circuitous, merry-go-round "arguments" I have ever seen. It's simplified "facts" simply refer to each other and then back on themselves. Quite the impressive presentation, Sir Les!

I have noted, however, that the Christian fancier-apologist does not EVER sell his or her "stuff" and give all of the profits to the poor, and then go join them and their camels in their pure and honest way of life, as Jesus demanded.

Why not? Absolute Evangelical Hypocrisy?
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