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You are not an independent thinker. Your thoughts are steered by the Bible. This is what I referred to as religious dogma. Whether such dogma comes from a church or is of your own making matters not. What matters is the rigidity with which you hold to such ideas.
Nonsense. Creation "doctrines" are nothing more than myths. Myths are folklore. Science is not. There is no comparison.
Why use the word myth when you could say what you really mean. That creation is a lie, all creationists are liars. Is not that what myth means when you really break it down?
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Then why do you cling so dearly to ancient myth when the "new stuff" points to natural causes? It doesn't matter what the group says. Put down your Bible and examine the evidence for yourself.
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Ike if you keep bashing your head against a brick wall and the wall doesn't budge but you seem to have a concussion because you repeatedly keep bashing your head against the wall, who than is cruel?
The wall for not breaking or you for wanting to smash a wall with your head?
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I dunno what a Tricky Yeast is but somehow it sounds.......intelligent.
Based on that fact alone I am forced to conclude that the Tricky Yeast must have been the product of an intelligent creator.
Or maybe I am just biased? Maybe I should change my name to Tricky Y?
No, evolution has not graduated to a "fact". Micro-evolution is obviously a fact, very few people will deny that. But macro-evolution has not been proved, or observed as of yet.
The root problem with the atheistic/evolutionist way of thinking is that it completely leaves out the possibility of supernatural involvement. I have heard over and over again that our thoughts are guided by the Bible(true) and we don't think for ourselves(false). Yet, they claim they are "neutral" in thinking (a complete mental impossibility). Evolutionists are just as biased as some Christians, in that Christians assume that there is a God first, and evolutionists assume there is not a God(or that it is too biased to look at that possibility). There is nothing wrong with studying the scientific world around us, but to say it is neutral to study the world from an atheistic worldview brings hypocricy to a whole new level.
In order to study the world from an objective standpoint, one must consider all possibilties regarding the nature of the universe. To dismiss the Bible as "myths" because of its religous meaning is a catastrophic abuse of the scientific method. Not only are there many outside ssources to confirm most of the Bible's stories, but the Bible itself is the most accurate ancient historic text available to mankind. I wonder.....if even a quarter of the money, research, and time that went into proving evolution alone went into studying the universe from a Biblical stnadpoint, how much different our understanding of the world would be?
Evolutionists are just as biased as some Christians, in that Christians assume that there is a God first, and evolutionists assume there is not a God(or that it is too biased to look at that possibility).
Blanket statement that isn't true. I'm a christian that believes in the evolutionary process.
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Not only are there many outside ssources to confirm most of the Bible's stories, but the Bible itself is the most accurate ancient historic text available to mankind.
you said it yourself.. HISTORIC... not.. scientific.
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I wonder.....if even a quarter of the money, research, and time that went into proving evolution alone went into studying the universe from a Biblical stnadpoint, how much different our understanding of the world would be?
but there is no argument for studying the universe from a biblical standpoint. the bibilical standpoint is god created the universe. that is one short science book.
Why use the word myth when you could say what you really mean. That creation is a lie, all creationists are liars. Is not that what myth means when you really break it down?
Oh please. I didn't say creationists are liars. When accepted for what it is, myth can have value. When treated as science, myth loses that value.
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Yes O preacher of evolution. Shall we all come to the alter of evolution? Let evolution save your soul, all it will cost is your tax dollars. And your total confession that you believe in evolution and renounce God. So drop by our blasphemy website and blaspheme God today. And don't forget to click the paypal button and donate to our 501c3 ministry of hating God.
Are you suggesting I hate that which, to me, doesn't exist?
Yes, evolution is a fact. This can be demonstrated.
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Micro-evolution is obviously a fact, very few people will deny that. But macro-evolution has not been proved, or observed as of yet.
Micro- and macro- are arbitrary terms used to describe certain points in the same process, which is evolution. Macroevolution, or speciation, can also be demonstrated, so the claim that it hasn't been observed is false.
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The root problem with the atheistic/evolutionist way of thinking is that it completely leaves out the possibility of supernatural involvement. I have heard over and over again that our thoughts are guided by the Bible(true) and we don't think for ourselves(false). Yet, they claim they are "neutral" in thinking (a complete mental impossibility). Evolutionists are just as biased as some Christians, in that Christians assume that there is a God first, and evolutionists assume there is not a God(or that it is too biased to look at that possibility). There is nothing wrong with studying the scientific world around us, but to say it is neutral to study the world from an atheistic worldview brings hypocricy to a whole new level.
The problem with this line of thinking is that it equates science with atheism. Again, false.
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In order to study the world from an objective standpoint, one must consider all possibilties regarding the nature of the universe. To dismiss the Bible as "myths" because of its religous meaning is a catastrophic abuse of the scientific method. Not only are there many outside ssources to confirm most of the Bible's stories, but the Bible itself is the most accurate ancient historic text available to mankind. I wonder.....if even a quarter of the money, research, and time that went into proving evolution alone went into studying the universe from a Biblical stnadpoint, how much different our understanding of the world would be?
Nothing personal, but this is gibberish. If one uses the Bible as a reference point, such a study becomes subjective by definition. To objectively study nature, one must look only to nature, which is exactly what the scientific method directs.
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Shall we all come to the alter of evolution? Let evolution save your soul, all it will cost is your tax dollars. And your total confession that you believe in evolution and renounce God. So drop by our blasphemy website and blaspheme God today. And don't forget to click the paypal button and donate to our 501c3 ministry of hating God.
Cruelty or being stubborn?
Ike if you keep bashing your head against a brick wall and the wall doesn't budge but you seem to have a concussion because you repeatedly keep bashing your head against the wall, who than is cruel?
Maybe I should change my name to Tricky Y?
