Should Israel be a Jewish state? (Islamic, Christian, believe, exist)
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I think moschiach is going to have a very tough time convincing all humans that he/she is the Messiah.
I agree. But then he won't be anything special if he's not totally compelling. Remember, moschiach isn't going to be some sort of man-god, or voodoo spirit, or anythig other than just a man who makes a difference in the world.
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So I guess that if even one aborigine in the Australian outback refuses to go along with a would-be moschiach, then it proves that the moschiach poser is not the real Messiah
The messianic age is supposed to last 1,000 years by some opinions. Messiah himself will die in the first 120 years of that time period. Then we're in it for ourselves. We're the ones who gotta make it work. You and me both - no matter what backgrounds we come from - believing or not. We can't just sit back and think some deity is going to make things better. Or "save" us. It's up to us humans.
The messianic age is supposed to last 1,000 years by some opinions. Messiah himself will die in the first 120 years of that time period. Then we're in it for ourselves. We're the ones who gotta make it work. You and me both - no matter what backgrounds we come from - believing or not.
This is very interesting. Thanks for explaining it.
So why should I care? I mean, I will die before the Messiah does, so nothing will happen to me, will it?
The Christians seem to have a better way to scare people into belonging to their religion. If you haven't accepted Jesus as your lord and savior when the Rapture happens (i.e. their Messiah returns), then you are gonna burn in the Lake of Fire. Now THAT'S religion!!
This is very interesting. Thanks for explaining it.
So why should I care? I mean, I will die before the Messiah does, so nothing will happen to me, will it?
The Christians seem to have a better way to scare people into belonging to their religion. If you haven't accepted Jesus as your lord and savior when the Rapture happens (i.e. their Messiah returns), then you are gonna burn in the Lake of Fire. Now THAT'S religion!!
I can't speak for the Chrstian religion - I really don't know much about it.
But why should you care? Because Hashem will restore souls to dead bodies at the conclusion on the messianic era. The dead will come back to life. And what you accomplished on this earth will determine your fate from that point forward. You Hiker, and your fellow non-Jews, will be judged against the 7 Noahide laws (I'll be judged against the 613 mitzvahs found in the Torah). And since you don't believe the Jesus myth, at least your not violating your obligation to avoid idol worship (one of the 7 Noahide laws).
Hashem will restore souls to dead bodies at the conclusion on the messianic era. The dead will come back to life. And what you accomplished on this earth will determine your fate from that point forward. You Hiker, and your fellow non-Jews, will be judged against the 7 Noahide laws
I am learning a lot here, and it doesn't sound good.
When I am dead, I want to stay dead. Let me rest in peace. Can't your god just mind his own business and leave me alone?
But since the messianic age will last for 1000 years, my poor remains will be just a pile of dust, so maybe your god will forget that I ever lived. If it comes to that, please don't remind him to wake me up, OK?
Life can be tough at times. Often it's confusing. We live in a world that is essentially grey and cloudy. But the messianic age is supposed to be a time of great sharpness and clarity - with a good bit of bliss mixed into the salad. Don't sell yourself short, Hiker. I know you to be a real thinker, and an independant thinker at that. It just might be that you don't know what you'll be missing.
But I'll tell you what. Out of the respect that I already have for you - I will indeed leave you alone should you turn to dust and moschiach come. You've earned that much...
...I'll be judged against the 613 mitzvahs found in the Torah...
So whats a passing score? Do attempts count? Are the one's you've decided not to follow thus they don't really count and are deducted as countable towards the final score?
Like:
Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people; neither shalt thou stand idly by the blood of thy neighbour
Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thy heart; thou shalt surely rebuke thy neighbour, and not bear sin because of him.
By the way, what does it mean for Israel to be a "Jewish state"? Seriously, I have no idea.
According to what I find on the internet, Israel is 75% Jewish and the USA is 80% Christian. If Israel is to be a "Jewish state', should the USA be a "Christian state"?
As I am not a citizen of Israel I find that it's none of my business.
Thanks for the comments, Flipflop. You have been very patient answering my questions.
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the messianic age is supposed to be a time of great sharpness and clarity - with a good bit of bliss mixed into the salad.
What happens to the souls that are brought back to life and the messiah judges to be not worthy? Like Charles Manson.
I get the impression that some Christians think these souls are sentenced to damnation and Eternal Torment (ET). Other Christians think their god will eventually bring all of the souls together in Universal Reconciliation (UR). The ET and UR Christians have some very heated debates. Another group of Christians think the bad souls are simply Annihilated and are lost forever. What do you think?
Thanks for the comments, Flipflop. You have been very patient answering my questions.
What happens to the souls that are brought back to life and the messiah judges to be not worthy? Like Charles Manson.
I get the impression that some Christians think these souls are sentenced to damnation and Eternal Torment (ET). Other Christians think their god will eventually bring all of the souls together in Universal Reconciliation (UR). The ET and UR Christians have some very heated debates. Another group of Christians think the bad souls are simply Annihilated and are lost forever. What do you think?
The Chrstians borrowed the annihilated souls business from us Jews, but (as usual) they mis-applied the concept. They think it applies to those who are not "saved." We Jews believe the annihilated soul only applies to the most unredeemable of low lifes, aka, Charles Manson, Hitler, Jimmy Carter, etc. Everybody else gets to do t'shuvah (sort of a repairing of the soul). The thought is that 99.9% will get to Olam Haba (the world to come), including muslims, chrstians, and even NeilVA who seems to want to pick a fight with me in this thread and another in the politics forum.
I question your statements, and instead of responding to them you drop down to starting personal attacks? Just another violation of the 613 Mitzvot.
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