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Old 11-12-2012, 04:59 PM
 
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No...no they aren't. We "religious folk" don't follow personality cults. We follow the Bible. The communist regime leaders didn't. Big difference.
Sure you do. Christianity(Jesus), Islam(Muhammad), Buddhism(Buddha), etc. They've all got their propaganda to further their individual messiah, prophet, guru's positive message(remember, negativity is heresy) and keep their respective adherents in step. Same way for Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot they just operated under the guise of communism, that's all. The only big difference is semantics...the psychology that drives these institutions is the same.
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:03 PM
 
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Sure you do. Christianity(Jesus), Islam(Muhammad), Buddhism(Buddha), etc. They've all got their propaganda to further their individual messiah, prophet, guru's positive message(remember, negativity is heresy) and keep their respective adherents in step. Same way for Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot they just operated under the guise of communism, that's all. The only big difference is semantics...the psychology that drives these institutions is the same.
Jesus is God. The rest were men.

Problem with your comparison though, is that Pol Pot , Mao, Stalin, etc...never claimed to be a religious figure, or that they received messages from God. They certainly didn't do it in God's name.
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:15 PM
 
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Jesus is God. The rest were men.

Problem with your comparison though, is that Pol Pot , Mao, Stalin, etc...never claimed to be a religious figure, or that they received messages from God. They certainly didn't do it in God's name.
That's why it gets lost in semantics, but then is once again found with all these religious figures and political figures in their psychologies. Jesus like Stalin believed they were keepers to the truth. Muhammad like Mao thought only they knew what was right for humanity. Buddha like Pol Pot saw enlightenment. It matters not who's name they did it in. It only matters that they perceived themselves to be holders of absolutes.
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:26 PM
 
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That's why it gets lost in semantics, but then is once again found with all these religious figures and political figures in their psychologies. Jesus like Stalin believed they were keepers to the truth. Muhammad like Mao thought only they knew what was right for humanity. Buddha like Pol Pot saw enlightenment. It matters not who's name they did it in. It only matters that they perceived themselves to be holders of absolutes.
whatever floats your boat man. No matter what I say you're going to claim to know better.
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:53 PM
 
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whatever floats your boat man. No matter what I say you're going to claim to know better.
Its obvious buster does know better because he has logic and reason on his side. Maybe a little critical thinking would be helpful to you.
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:54 PM
 
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Its obvious buster does know better because he has logic and reason on his side. Maybe a little critical thinking would be helpful to you.
Sounds like rambling incoherence to me...but whatever.
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:54 PM
 
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Jesus is God. The rest were men.
Proof? You cannot use the Bible as proof of this, btw.
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:56 PM
 
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Proof? You cannot use the Bible as proof of this, btw.
Why? Of course I can. It's a great primary source.
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Old 11-12-2012, 06:16 PM
 
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Why? Of course I can. It's a great primary source.
Using the Bible as a source is circular reasoning. Even *if* you accept that Jesus said he was that does not make it true.

Also note that there is almost NO independent evidence outside the bible that Jesus even existed. It is certainly possible that such a man did live, but there is no evidence of his godhood.

Historicity Of Jesus FAQ

Apart from Josephus, which is a small mention which doesn't match his writing style/language and is regarded as a later forgery inserted by some unknown early Christian as a way to "prove" Jesus existed... no, there isn't any. There is excellent reason to suppose that this passage was not written in its present form by Josephus, but was either inserted or amended by later Christians

The Talmud and other Jewish writings contradict the New Testament.
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Old 11-12-2012, 06:25 PM
 
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Jesus is God. The rest were men.

Problem with your comparison though, is that Pol Pot , Mao, Stalin, etc...never claimed to be a religious figure, or that they received messages from God. They certainly didn't do it in God's name.
Jesus, Muhammad and Buddha may have suffered from schizophrenia while Pol Pot, Mao and Stalin were psychopaths.

The horrible things the communists leaders did was not done to further atheism. The atrocities they committed were done in the furtherance of consolidating power. Religion was seen as a threat to that power.
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