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This just describes people who have no comitment to spiritual Truth, as shown over thousands and thousands of lifetimes. It's important to understand that this scripture describes people who have had a VERY LONG TIME to change and have not done so, and therefore drag the rest of us down.
I'm 78 years old. I lived the church life till I was over sixty. I've never seen a prayer answered or anything approaching devine intervention. That's why I finally quit trying.
I'm 78 years old. I lived the church life till I was over sixty. I've never seen a prayer answered or anything approaching devine intervention. That's why I finally quit trying.
It is really sad when people are so negatively affected by their "church life" that they walk away from their relationship with God.
At your age and time of life, I do hope you will reconsider going one on one with Him and forgetting all the "church stuff" that turned you off and got you so aggravated and frustrated.
It is really sad when people are so negatively affected by their "church life" that they walk away from their relationship with God.
At your age and time of life, I do hope you will reconsider going one on one with Him and forgetting all the "church stuff" that turned you off and got you so aggravated and frustrated.
And I sincerely hope that someday your attitude will cause you to stop thinking that because I don't believe a 2000 year old fairy tale that I'm doomed to roast in a lake of fire for all eternity. What a load of ****
And I sincerely hope that someday your attitude will cause you to stop thinking that because I don't believe a 2000 year old fairy tale that I'm doomed to roast in a lake of fire for all eternity. What a load of ****
It sounds like Finley, like me, got a lot of literal hellthreat from his church experience, perhaps unlike you and unlike many liberal Christians.
I don't think Finley was saying he was "aggravated and frustrated" any more than you were saying he was hellbound, though. My guess is he's a lot less aggravated and frustrated since he left the faith. I say this only to correct a common misconception that atheists tend to be cranky, unhappy, bitter people. We are no more so than any other group. But when we talk in these settings, yes, we are frank about the hurt and disappointment and frustration that pushed us out of the faith originally.
Not everyone needs religion to be happy, well adjusted, friendly, open, and peaceful. Some of us, in fact, need to stay out of religion to be all those things.
It sounds like Finley, like me, got a lot of literal hellthreat from his church experience, perhaps unlike you and unlike many liberal Christians.
I don't think Finley was saying he was "aggravated and frustrated" any more than you were saying he was hellbound, though. My guess is he's a lot less aggravated and frustrated since he left the faith. I say this only to correct a common misconception that atheists tend to be cranky, unhappy, bitter people. We are no more so than any other group. But when we talk in these settings, yes, we are frank about the hurt and disappointment and frustration that pushed us out of the faith originally.
Not everyone needs religion to be happy, well adjusted, friendly, open, and peaceful. Some of us, in fact, need to stay out of religion to be all those things.
Appreciate the reminder that maybe most of the atheists here are only "cranky, unhappy and bitter people" because of this particular setting - not so much in their real lives
I don't think anyone needs religion - but everyone could, in my opinion, be even happier and more peaceful if they would allow themselves a personal one on one relationship with God.
Appreciate the reminder that maybe most of the atheists here are only "cranky, unhappy and bitter people" because of this particular setting - not so much in their real lives
I don't think anyone needs religion - but everyone could, in my opinion, be even happier and more peaceful if they would allow themselves a personal one on one relationship with God.
You have it completely backwards...The happiest and most well adjusted people I know are non believers, and the most miserable are the most devout.
Appreciate the reminder that maybe most of the atheists here are only "cranky, unhappy and bitter people" because of this particular setting - not so much in their real lives
I don't think anyone needs religion - but everyone could, in my opinion, be even happier and more peaceful if they would allow themselves a personal one on one relationship with God.
It has been well observed that the drunk is happier when drunk than when sober.
Atheists who have deconverted often say - while often admitting that there was a great feeling of losing something that had felt pretty good - that they gained a great deal from going atheist. Now Finley's post probably looked to you like an embittered individual lashing out as someone trying to offer help, but I can see it from his point of view.
Deconversion often means dropping the whole package. While some minor event may cause the disillusionment, the non- belief will often (not always) extend to all the god -claims, and logically quite rightly so.
Therefore, when a well meaning believer comes in a spirit of friendship proffering a sachet of Oofle -dust to someone who has kicked the habit, don't be surprised if they smack you on the wrist.
It is really sad when people are so negatively affected by their "church life" that they walk away from their relationship with God.
At your age and time of life, I do hope you will reconsider going one on one with Him and forgetting all the "church stuff" that turned you off and got you so aggravated and frustrated.
What about Joel Osteen.....made about a billion dollars and said his faith was too weak to continue. What about that stuff?
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