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Old 05-22-2013, 09:00 AM
 
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so we're talking about over 60,000,000 people, and the only thing they agree on is that they believe there are zero gods.
So that's their religion. Atheists also print books, lecture, come up with their own theories of what is or isn't morally wrong. So to say that "religion will be proven wrong" can never happen. Take away one belief system, another will pop up in its place.
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Old 05-22-2013, 09:35 AM
 
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So that's their religion. Atheists also print books, lecture, come up with their own theories of what is or isn't morally wrong.
No, it's not. A religion requires either belief in a supernatural entity, or adherence to a set of rules. Atheism has neither. There are no atheist holidays, or any set of rules that all atheists must follow. The word "atheist" merely describes someone who does not believe in God.
Of course individual atheists might write books about morality or invent their own holidays, but, unlike religious people, other atheists have no obligation to follow what those books say or celebrate those holidays.

Of course, given the likely impossibility of us ever finding out the truth, it is likely that many people will continue to believe in imaginary beings.
However, a decline in organized religion, and the notion that everyone should believe in what a book says, is already happening and likely to continue.

In other words, religion might almost die, or become a purely cultural thing, but theism, deism, and other forms of "spirituality" will most likely not.
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Old 05-22-2013, 09:38 AM
 
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So that's their religion. Atheists also print books, lecture, come up with their own theories of what is or isn't morally wrong. So to say that "religion will be proven wrong" can never happen. Take away one belief system, another will pop up in its place.
Not, it is not. Religion involves some beliefs and practices. Here's a link to a bunch of dictionary definitions: Religion | Define Religion at Dictionary.com None of those definitions can be applied to atheism.

Certainly, atheists have written books and done lectures. However, there is no organization that is large enough to speak for even a small fraction of the "non-religious." There is no moral code that can be substantiated as being applicable to even 10% of "non-religious" Americans.

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Old 05-22-2013, 09:54 AM
 
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Certainly, atheists have written books and done lectures. However, there is no organization that is large enough to speak for even a small fraction of the "non-religious." There is no moral code that can be substantiated as being applicable to even 10% of "non-religious" Americans.
How about exercising your rights to do whatever you please. That's a creed for living. Or "who are you to tell me?"
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Old 05-22-2013, 10:24 AM
 
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How about exercising your rights to do whatever you please. That's a creed for living. Or "who are you to tell me?"
Well the law gets in the way for one thing, but taking it in the sense you probably mean, that is exactly the reason whyc we have atheists coming out, speaking out and hitting out.

It is going to get more of the same, so start liking it.
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Old 05-22-2013, 11:22 AM
 
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Since religion means "a set of beliefs" this scenario will never happen. People will always believe something. Even atheism is a "set of beliefs," though atheists don't like to admit it.
Non belief is a belief? That is the dumbest thing I ever heard.
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Old 05-22-2013, 11:31 AM
 
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Since religion means "a set of beliefs" this scenario will never happen. People will always believe something. Even atheism is a "set of beliefs," though atheists don't like to admit it.
Ssshh! Dems fightin' words that fragile ears cannot bare.
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Old 05-22-2013, 12:05 PM
 
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If all religions were proved false we'd simply switch to blatant humanism, in that scenario, you'd just need to continually meet standards that justify your existence and when you do not there 'll be help.
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Old 05-22-2013, 12:35 PM
 
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Since religion means "a set of beliefs" this scenario will never happen. People will always believe something. Even atheism is a "set of beliefs," though atheists don't like to admit it.
Why? Just what is it that makes people "moral". Where does that come from? Who set the rules of morality?

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If all religions were proved false we'd simply switch to blatant humanism, in that scenario, you'd just need to continually meet standards that justify your existence and when you do not there 'll be help.
Humanism is a 'belief'. So does that make it a "Religion"? Using the standards posted here it does.

What would happen if religion proved to be false?

Can't be done, neither can a belief in a Supreme God. So now we are down to "freedom of choice", no?
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Old 05-22-2013, 12:44 PM
 
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Think of it in the context of the phrase
LIFE IMITATES ART

Think of the Bible as literature, literary arts, and think of how many people mold their lives to fit what this work of literary art prescribes.

Now, I personally don;t follow the Bible and I don't really even have an interest in it. But Billions do, and many of those, including some of the "Crummiest followers" as noted in a prior post, certainly do. Thus life is influenced by an artistic ideal.

Same could be said for Islam, Mormonism, even traditional Judaism. All have a work of art as the core of the beliefs, whether intentional or not.

If this work of art, say the Bible, went away, then certainly another would replace it. Humans are by nature social creatures who seek meaning in arts and expression and would venture out to discover the next object of inspiration. Not that much would change.
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