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Old 06-28-2013, 02:05 PM
 
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Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter says religious leaders, including those in Christianity and Islam, share the blame for mistreatment of women across the world.

Carter: World religions perpetuate women's plight

Some enlightened people have been saying this for years. It's good to see such a prominent person highlight this issue and call on religious leaders to reform their policies. What do you think?
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Old 06-28-2013, 02:07 PM
 
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Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter says religious leaders, including those in Christianity and Islam, share the blame for mistreatment of women across the world.

Carter: World religions perpetuate women's plight

Some enlightened people have been saying this for years. It's good to see such a prominent person highlight this issue and call on religious leaders to reform their policies. What do you think?
It's Christianity that actually lets women be treated well. Paul writing in Ephesians that husbands should love their wives as Christ loved the church was a groundbreaking thing.
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Old 06-28-2013, 02:18 PM
 
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It's Christianity that actually lets women be treated well. Paul writing in Ephesians that husbands should love their wives as Christ loved the church was a groundbreaking thing.
Wow! Groudbreaking work from around A.D. 60-63 and everyone is supposed to get excited that Christianity "lets" women be treated well?

My goodness. Just how grateful are women supposed to be that Christianity "lets" them be treated well?

And thank you, President Carter, for being an exceptional Christian who is not afraid to speak the truth. We need more like you.
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Old 06-28-2013, 02:23 PM
 
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Wow! Groudbreaking work from around A.D. 60-63 and everyone is supposed to get excited that Christianity "lets" women be treated well?

My goodness. Just how grateful are women supposed to be that Christianity "lets" them be treated well?

And thank you, President Carter, for being an exceptional Christian. We need more like you.
When you compare it to how women WERE treated at the time, this was one of the major draws of Christianity for women - they gained an advantage that wasn't available to them otherwise. Of course things are different now - but he was referring to THEN. Can't really apply modern ethical judgments on ancient things, can we?

Of course, it wasn't perfect, and meddling editors who were anti-women were fond of adding little snippets to reduce the rights of women - but we can now recognize those passages for what they were: additions made by misogynistic writers.
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Old 06-28-2013, 02:25 PM
 
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Carter may not have been a good President but he's a fine man.
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Old 06-28-2013, 02:29 PM
 
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Wow! Groudbreaking work from around A.D. 60-63 and everyone is supposed to get excited that Christianity "lets" women be treated well?

My goodness. Just how grateful are women supposed to be that Christianity "lets" them be treated well?

And thank you, President Carter, for being an exceptional Christian who is not afraid to speak the truth. We need more like you.

It's not Christianity that is causing them to be treated poorly. I'm not sure what your point is.
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Old 06-30-2013, 08:09 AM
 
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It's not Christianity that is causing them to be treated poorly. I'm not sure what your point is.
Christian traditions have fostered attitudes of second class citizenship and that is based on NT passages concerning roles.
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Old 06-30-2013, 10:23 AM
 
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Christian traditions have fostered attitudes of second class citizenship and that is based on NT passages concerning roles.
Yep. And plenty of fundamentalists use those passages to keep their womenfolk "in line."
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Old 06-30-2013, 11:51 AM
 
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Christian traditions have fostered attitudes of second class citizenship and that is based on NT passages concerning roles.
This.

Let's see, pastor are women treated poorly because of Christianity? Lesson for today, boys and girls of little knowledge of the workings of the world: the Catholic church (which last time I checked was still Christian) does not allow the use of condoms. The HIV virus is still out there. And it's infecting women and children every single day . So, because of some archaic beliefs about birth control by a Christian faith, women are being infected. And dying. Every.single.day.

That's just one example. I'll let you digest it a little. Have you seen someone die from AIDS? I have. It's a horrible disease and the decision of a MAJOR Christian denomination is affecting women's health. Dang, it's affecting whether they live and grow old. (I call Death By AIDS being treated poorly. How about you? I honestly don't see Jesus being OK with Death By Aids because the hierarchy of a Christian religion think condoms shouldn't be used. In fact I think it's UN-Christian to make a decision that will cause the death of innocents.)

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Old 06-30-2013, 03:01 PM
 
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It's Christianity that actually lets women be treated well. Paul writing in Ephesians that husbands should love their wives as Christ loved the church was a groundbreaking thing.
While "lets" is not the right word, this is actually the case. It was mainly failing to live up to this, through crappy followers, that women were poorly treated as long as they were.

There's also religious organizations actually in support of women's rights and civil rights in general
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Now, when you talk about Islam, dead spot on. It's even in their religious books that women are often viewed as unworthy to enter Paradise. Which kinda suggests that harem men get in Paradise is actually composed of newhalfs.

Atheism has not made any strides in either way, in terms of the rights of women. But they're happy to take credit. Women are now expected to work, rather than being free to work. How is that really a favor to women?

To not be objectified, not have arranged marriages (now, if someone is unmarried and hating it, there should be a sort of matchmaking system build in), be able to work but not be forced to do so, to be able to fight in the military but not forced to do so. All of these rights can only stand up if they also are true for men (especially that last one). The life and death of an unborn child is not a woman's right. If the condom fails, it is your responsibility to keep it or give the child up for adoption, and adoption should in turn be relaxed to not "keep those people out" (such as gays). If a person wants to adopt, there should be no grounds to turn them away. Not even if the child is a teenager and so is the "parent." Not your business.
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