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Originally Posted by Vizio
Declaring something legal doesn't change the morality of it. God defined marriage as a man and a woman. We don't have the right to change that.
Which god?
I can give a little list of at least a hundred different gods. They were all invented by a tribe or culture at some point in time and every one of them were narcissistic about their god or gods. Like the Israelis in the Old Testament.
So, creation has an error (and God is thus fallible)?
Be honest, if not with yourself, then at least intellectually. 'Procrastination' is one thing, but an omnipotent, omniscient being should be aware before he begins that his creation is going to have a flaw.
Otherwise, what's the point of being all-knowing?
I've always thought procrastination was a flaw. I don't side with the religionists. Barely do I side with the deists or benevolent theists. To me Ju-Piter is as flawed as El of the Babylonian pantheon. Indeed, You are correct, if creation has flaws in it, and all is created by the Christian Ex-Nihilo Father, then flaws came only from a fallible God. If humans were fully created by this God, and human were flawed or had the flaw of being able to flaw, then God was flawed also.
I think your view is answered by some Christians by saying: God loves even those who are flawed, unless they don't worship him and don't give money to our denomination. They say God will fix it in Judgement Day, you know, the same way he fixed it during the supposed "Great Flood of Noah." Or maybe they think this time will actually be a legitimate and eternal fix where he will suddenly not create flawed things anymore. I guess He won't love the flawed possible people once He changes his personality yet again.
"God" did no such thing. A bunch of ignorant men did. You just happen to buy their baloney because it suits your world view.
And mankind has every right to change ridiculous, antiquated, bigoted thinking.
wow, that's hateful. Amazing. If we have the audacity to actually disagree with you, we're called bigoted. Stay classy, dude.
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We don't burn witches any more or stone adulterers either (at least in first-world countries).
I can give a little list of at least a hundred different gods. They were all invented by a tribe or culture at some point in time and every one of them were narcissistic about their god or gods. Like the Israelis in the Old Testament.
God. The only true God, the creator of the universe. He gave us the Bible.
Declaring something legal doesn't change the morality of it. God defined marriage as a man and a woman. We don't have the right to change that.
Where does Bible-God define that?
He was fine with King Solomon and Messiah David having tons of wives and concubines, and he was fine with Jesus and Paul being celibate. "We want to know the illegal immigrants or spies you are harboring, Lot! We do not want your daughters out of wed-lock!" the citizens cried out to the bitter Abrahamist who thought his sexual connotations were the same as a non-Jewish waring cities sexual connotations. God doesn't define marriage, the State defines marriage. If you want your marriage sanctioned by God go to a Church, Do not lobby the State to define marriage religiously. "Congress shall make no law," after all. The Spirit of the Constitution is to have us get along as citizens, not to pit one faction against the other and oppress the minorities.
Seriously oppression doesn't work unless its full and complete. Half-baked oppression is what the Syncretic-Polytheist Romans did to the vile "atheist" Christians that ended up controlling the government and FULLY oppressing the pagans themselves. Doing it right. There is no way you are willing to commit such oppression now, so why fuel the fires of the growth of gay society by giving them a weak enemy to rally against so that they may not quarrel with each other?
Why can't you people handle your own morality? why must We the People of civil Society handle it for you? What's the point of the Church if the State ends up doing most of the heavy lifting?
He was fine with King Solomon and Messiah David having tons of wives and concubines, and he was fine with Jesus and Paul being celibate.
Can you provid a verse that shows God as "fine with" multiple wives and concubines?
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"We want to know the illegal immigrants or spies you are harboring, Lot! We do not want your daughters out of wed-lock!" the citizens cried out to the bitter Abrahamist who thought his sexual connotations were the same as a non-Jewish waring cities sexual connotations. God doesn't define marriage, the State defines marriage. If you want your marriage sanctioned by God go to a Church, Do not lobby the State to define marriage religiously. "Congress shall make no law," after all. The Spirit of the Constitution is to have us get along as citizens, not to pit one faction against the other and oppress the minorities.
I have no idea what you're trying to say here.
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Seriously oppression doesn't work unless its full and complete. Half-baked oppression is what the Syncretic-Polytheist Romans did to the vile "atheist" Christians that ended up controlling the government and FULLY oppressing the pagans themselves. Doing it right. There is no way you are willing to commit such oppression now, so why fuel the fires of the growth of gay society by giving them a weak enemy to rally against so that they may not quarrel with each other?
Why can't you people handle your own morality? why must We the People of civil Society handle it for you? What's the point of the Church if the State ends up doing most of the heavy lifting?
Again....I'm not sure what your point is.
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I guess He won't love the flawed possible people once He changes his personality yet again.
