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Old 11-27-2013, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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Are you saying that you can ask for something tonight and get it in the morning?
What I think she is attempting to say is that...if you work with the Universal Law of Attraction...it will work with you. And, she's right. The thoughts and actions we project into the Universe, which are pure energy, elicit those same types of energy back to us. Scientists are actually starting to study these things.
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Old 11-27-2013, 06:09 AM
 
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What I think she is attempting to say is that...if you work with the Universal Law of Attraction...it will work with you. And, she's right. The thoughts and actions we project into the Universe, which are pure energy, elicit those same types of energy back to us. Scientists are actually starting to study these things.
Yes, I know she is right.

The thing is that a person like me had to be taught these things directly but the source was not divinely inspired, unless you want to get technical and say that God created that person. So yes, the source was divinely inspired.
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Old 11-27-2013, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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Yes, I know she is right.

The thing is that a person like me had to be taught these things directly but the source was not divinely inspired, unless you want to get technical and say that God created that person. So yes, the source was divinely inspired.
I believe we are ALL God...so if a teaching is for the betterment of humanity...I consider it inspired! We either manifest the God that is within us into the world by loving each other as we love ourselves...or we don't...but, the choice is ours and ours alone.
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Old 11-27-2013, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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The problem, or among the problems, associated with concepts such as "sanctioned by heaven" is the proliferation of sanctioning bodies. It is akin to numerous schisms which ruined professional boxing and produced the current situation where there are four different international sanctioning agencies, each with their own lists of champions in the assorted weight divisions. In such a situation, who is truly the champ?

Islam has its sanctioned by heaven writings, as does Christianity, the Hebrew faith, the Mormon faith...etc. In this swirl of competing claims, how is legitimacy established? This thread has shown us how. ChristyGrl writes that sanctioning is determined by the degree with which she agrees with the specific text in question, and all else is "evil hogwash." Ms. Hepburn would employ field testing with those which emerge as "tried and true" on a personal level.

And that is indeed how it works. If it is good, if I like it, if it is consistent with my prevailing inclinations, then it is divinely sanctioned. If not, then not. It is basically self sanctioning which gets declared heavenly if it passes muster with the individual's standards. It is worse than the boxing situation in that boxing only has to endure four rival certifying agencies while religion has as many sanctioners as it has adherents.
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Old 11-27-2013, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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If it is good, if I like it, if it is consistent with my prevailing inclinations, then it is divinely sanctioned. If not, then not. It is basically self sanctioning which gets declared heavenly if it passes muster with the individual's standards.
What's wrong with, "If I like it ... then I like it?" Why should something I like be called "divinely sanctioned", except in some meaningless sense that I project my god and my god approves?

I mean, we'd ALL love to have an actual god rubber stamp our preferences, and better yet, enthusiastically approve of them, but ... seriously? Do we really want to make claims like this?
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Old 11-27-2013, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA, now.
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Sometimes what I need is given to me in 2 years...like when I was given out of the blue
the $100,000 to pay off my mortgage, y'all are getting tired of hearing about that one.
Or because of my tight relationship with my Father, I can just think something and there it will be in an hour or so (for less than a dollar unopened, for something that is $36).
Or being asked to do a healing in the ICU of a dying person in a coma, heart and lungs on machines...around 4 pm....I got the call at 10:35 am the next day..."It's a miracle, she's off all machines, sitting up talking and smiling."
(Well, of course, I wasn't surprised, I never am...that's what a healing 'is'.)

So far, following the advice in the Bible, works....it wasn't till way later I found out so much was the Law of A.

I don't know anyone in my real life that practices the LOA or follows
Jesus' words like I do....I don't have a care or anxiety in the world for years now.
All bec I tested the instructions on how things work here...as given in the Bible.

I ask people, 'practice not worrying for one week and get back to me'...no one has yet
on any forum. Yet, I haven't had a care since 2006 when I had a lightbulb go off...
Practice what Jesus said...and bingo, he was right.

Go to that secret place
Keep your mind on him
Give him your burdens
Be anxious for nothing
Cast your cares
Do not worry
Be not afraid.....
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Old 11-27-2013, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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What's wrong with, "If I like it ... then I like it?" Why should something I like be called "divinely sanctioned", except in some meaningless sense that I project my god and my god approves?

I mean, we'd ALL love to have an actual god rubber stamp our preferences, and better yet, enthusiastically approve of them, but ... seriously? Do we really want to make claims like this?
If the psychology of the dynamic was presented in an academic study, it would be in the same chapter which discusses the power of celebrity endorsement on market choices.
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Old 11-27-2013, 08:40 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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The issue I see with this is that there are people who will come to understand the wisdom in their holy book and claim that because it was written thousands of years ago and can be applied today should be considered divine knowledge.

I will admit that I am projecting here, but when I reach a conclusion, and I think it is wise , I regard the source of my information as unique. But then when I come to city-data, I see that it is not all that unique nor is my conclusion.

I am guessing that if a person learns wisdom from the Bible, which is not a bad thing, but then claims divine wisdom, they probably have not read that many other books.
Good point. I think this is the fallacy of antiquity. In any case it is one more false reason to ascribe special status to old writings, apart from the interest of the sheer antiquity.

This one is immediately disposable, of course. Antiquity does not make ole writing anything other than old. There is no case for debate as there is with the Big Three - historical pre-knowledge, scientific pre- knowledge and prophetic pre -knowledge, all and each of which would vbe evidence of divine input - if the claims stand up.

You are quite right: one can get all sorts of Wiz. from the Bible, the Uh...Lord of the Rings..ahh...peanuts...star trek..Hmm what other erudite sources have I consulted recently..Watts, No... Well, as you say, that is no evidence of anything special other than a writer with some good thoughts and that is easily shown to be so. Though getting the faith -based partiality dood to accept that may not be possible.

Bottom line is 'That doesn't matter'. They are trying to give us reasons to think the books contain evidence of divine input. We can give them reasons why they are not, but it doesn't matter if they will not be convinced.

Only it is incumbent upon us to make the refutation public, as the believers are always going to be passing one false 'proof of God's reality' snippit from evangelist site to theistical blog, like a row of mountain top signal fires.

“See, there is the codswallop on Tekton, and falsity on Living waters; and there the leaping lizards go speeding west: NewWine, Bibletruth, Jews forJesus, C. S Lewis Institute, and the Creation Institute on the borders of Insanity”

Last edited by TRANSPONDER; 11-27-2013 at 09:02 AM.. Reason: General tidy up and some Evangelosities research
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Old 11-27-2013, 11:04 AM
 
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Sometimes what I need is given to me in 2 years...like when I was given out of the blue
the $100,000 to pay off my mortgage, y'all are getting tired of hearing about that one.
Or because of my tight relationship with my Father, I can just think something and there it will be in an hour or so (for less than a dollar unopened, for something that is $36).
Or being asked to do a healing in the ICU of a dying person in a coma, heart and lungs on machines...around 4 pm....I got the call at 10:35 am the next day..."It's a miracle, she's off all machines, sitting up talking and smiling."
(Well, of course, I wasn't surprised, I never am...that's what a healing 'is'.)

So far, following the advice in the Bible, works....it wasn't till way later I found out so much was the Law of A.
First of all, you have no real evidence that the Bible, God, or any other supernatural force is behind these bursts of good fortune.

Secondly, the reason why I'm fairly certain that it has nothing to do with simply "asking for it" is because I'm your opposite number. I am living proof that Newton's Third Law of Motion is true. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Well, most of my life, I've wondered who the lucky bastard was who was soaking up all of my luck since my life has been one unmitigated disaster after another - and it's far from over. Now, I'm not keen on sharing my personal life with a group of internet strangers, so I'm not going to. Suffice it to say that every last thing - even the small things - have always been a fierce uphill battle for me. NOTHING goes right, and when it does, it always turns into a "Be careful what you wish for ..." scenario.

I remember once when I lost $500 in cash in Wal-Mart. Of course someone found it and went on a spending spree, I'm sure. But I couldn't help but think - why can't I ever be the person who FINDS the money instead of the person who always loses it? The point being is that life to me feels very much like a zero-sum game.

Thus, for all the good fortune you receive, just remember, there's probably some poor sod out there getting screwed as payment.
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Old 11-27-2013, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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I remember once when I lost $500 in cash in Wal-Mart. Of course someone found it and went on a spending spree, I'm sure. .

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Was that yours?

Hey...thanks, I got some cool stuff.
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