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Old 05-24-2014, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Taos NM
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An 11 year old vs. an adult. The odds favor someone with more experience.
Oh lol....

Anyways, I just found it's easiest to daydream during church. Just make sure you have enough stuff to daydream about since church can go awfully long.
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Old 05-24-2014, 12:02 PM
 
Location: california
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I am sorry that you haven't yet experienced the faith your mother enjoys.
No one pushed me ,though I had no choice growing up going to church, but at 7, I made the decision to open my life to the Lord, and have enjoyed His involvement in my life over 55 years.
I saw the result of folks that put off God ,all around me . and seeing the trouble in the world with people that choose to live with out God it amazes me they still resist Him. but that was my motivation.
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Old 05-24-2014, 01:42 PM
 
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Moderator cut: deleted There were a lot of things I was told to to do as a child that didn't suit me but I obeyed my parents and authority.Children ,espescially teenagers think they know what is best for them ,no parents do they have been there done that. It is tough for a mother to raise a son by themself if this be the case, my hat is off to them and give them the respect due, they are just doing the best they can with your best interest at heart.

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Old 05-24-2014, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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One thing you can do is continue to observe, listen, participate and if you make the decision to be a non believer along the way it won't be because you didn't take the time to examine the evidence.
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Old 05-24-2014, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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I'm guessing they give you food, shelter, clothing, internet access, etc. I would suggest you maybe ought to put up with your Mom. As long as you live in her home, perhaps you ought to respect her enough to grant her the hour or so a week that she wants you go to go to church.

It's amazing how when you're 30 you're going to look back on it and think maybe she wasn't all that bad.
OK, turnabout is fair play, Viz. We disagree on a lot, but not on this topic ;-)
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Old 05-24-2014, 03:21 PM
 
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I'm not even 12 yet but I have wondered if god is real. I'm now pretty sure he isn't real because it doesn't make any sense.
There are some claims which seldom receive the request for evidence because they are stated in a negative format. For example-

Claim in negative- "I am not convinced that God exists."

Claim in positive- "Through materialistic practice I am convinced that something besides God exists there."

Request avoided- "What things?" "Why materialistic practice?"



Claim in negative- "You haven't presented any evidence for God."

Claim in positive- "I have determined through materialistic practice that what you have presented is evidence for something besides God."

Request avoided- What thing? "Why materialistic practice?"


Let's hope your mother asks you for evidence for your claim (- "I believe something besides God exists there.") you conceal behind a negative format (- "I'm now pretty sure he isn't real."). And if you use your materialistic practice to gather evidence, she asks what makes materialistic practice correct in the first place.
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Old 05-24-2014, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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overgastg4 - you're a one-trick pony.

Post something without the word(s) material/s/ist/ic.

I double-dog dare ya'!

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Old 05-24-2014, 05:47 PM
 
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I'm not even 12 yet but I have wondered if god is real. I'm now pretty sure he isn't real because it doesn't make any sense. There's no way I actually want to tell my family about that though. My mom is VERY into god and all the things he 'does'. if I told her he doesn't exist this is what would happen 'You will not go on your computer anymore for anything other than school work! Why?! Because it is brainwashing you! do you want demons in your head!'. (something like that, I find it pretty funny until I go to my computer and realize my mom's staring at me..)
She has told me before that if I told her I didn't want to do these things she wouldn't even bother with me anymore about god, I know thats a big fat lie though.. I don't want to wait 7 years until I can be free either.
What should I do during those 7 years?

Do your research, study the book of each religion and compare it with others and see what talks to you.
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Old 05-24-2014, 07:38 PM
 
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I'm not even 12 yet but I have wondered if god is real. I'm now pretty sure he isn't real because it doesn't make any sense. There's no way I actually want to tell my family about that though. My mom is VERY into god and all the things he 'does'. if I told her he doesn't exist this is what would happen 'You will not go on your computer anymore for anything other than school work! Why?! Because it is brainwashing you! do you want demons in your head!'. (something like that, I find it pretty funny until I go to my computer and realize my mom's staring at me..)
She has told me before that if I told her I didn't want to do these things she wouldn't even bother with me anymore about god, I know thats a big fat lie though.. I don't want to wait 7 years until I can be free either.
What should I do during those 7 years?


You're the only 11-year old on the planet with a religious mother who believes you'll be brainwashed by demons yet gives you a computer and allows you to access the internet. Where you managed to have enough time looking around to find your way to C-D to complain about her.

Congratulations! She sounds like she's one of a kind!!

I suggest you spend the next 7 years paying attention in school so you can get a really good-paying job. That way then the moment you hit 18 you can leave home and be 100% responsible for yourself. That means you have to pay for all your food, rent, car, insurance, utilities..... there will be GREAT computers in 7 years so you'll need $$ for that too. Then you can be an atheist under your own roof and not have to worry about Mom staring at you.

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Old 05-24-2014, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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An 11 year old vs. an adult. The odds favor someone with more experience.

You'd think, but that isn't always the case.....
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