Fallacy - Prayer helps the sick

[Nozzferrahhtoo]

Originally Posted by Hawkins

You have a lot of misconceptions stored in your arsenal.

Nope. But I have the rebuttal to a hell of a lot of them there. And alas "Evolution".... especially from the user jeffbase..... is a subject that many users bring misconceptions to bear on.

Originally Posted by Hawkins

You are confused to think that science is the only truth exists.

Did I make any such claim?

Can you quote me making any such claim?

No and no will be the answers in that order.

So when you are finished going from thread to thread putting words and positions into my mouth that I never once espoused.... you might deign to reply to the things I ACTUALLY SAID instead

[Hawkins]

Originally Posted by Nozzferrahhtoo

Did I make any such claim?

You did. That's when you asked for substantial evidence, as evidence are simply absent for certain kinds of truths, beside science (and I doubt that you know what it is).

[Nozzferrahhtoo]

Originally Posted by Hawkins

You did.

No I did not. Anywhere. Ever. But by all means quote where I did.

Come on. Show it.

Show me the exact place I claimed that science is the only truth that exists.

Quote it for all to see.

Or admit the lie.

[Hawkins]

Originally Posted by Nozzferrahhtoo

No I did not. Anywhere. Ever. But by all means quote where I did.

Come on. Show it.

Show me the exact place I claimed that science is the only truth that exists.

Quote it for all to see.

Or admit the lie.

Well to put another way, if science is not the only truth. Then there are other truths and not all truths can be supported by substantial evidence. They are not fictions at the same time.


Here's the quote.

...evidence, data and reasoning is that in fact there is no god and prayer does nothing

Here you sound as if the answering of prayer is a science for you to examine its evidence. Evidence may not be available even in the case that it is a truth. That's the situation! To me, you are mistakenly think that every truth should be as evident as a science in order to be a truth. That remains your misconception.

[Nozzferrahhtoo]

Originally Posted by Hawkins

Well to put another way

So not only can you NOT quote me saying what you falsely claimed I did. You now want to "put it another way".

Again you claimed "You are confused to think that science is the only truth exists." and I am asking you to quote a single post ANYWHERE where I ever claimed such a thing.

Originally Posted by Hawkins

Here's the quote.

No. Nothing in that quote is the same as what you just claimed I said. So either find the real quote or retract your outright lie son.

[Hawkins]

Originally Posted by Nozzferrahhtoo

No. Nothing in that quote is the same as what you just claimed I said. So either find the real quote or retract your outright lie son.

Yes. and here's what I meant to say.

Here you sound as if the answering of prayer is a science for you to examine its evidence. Evidence may not be available even in the case that it is a truth. That's the situation! To me, you are mistakenly think that every truth should be as evident as a science in order to be a truth. That remains your misconception.

Clear?

[Nozzferrahhtoo]

Originally Posted by Hawkins

Here you sound as if the answering of prayer is a science for you to examine its evidence.

I said "argument, evidence, data OR reasoning". I gave 4 huge categories there.

Yet someone how you twisted this into me saying "science is the only truth exists." when I never once in my life claimed any such thing and when I asked you to quote me saying something of this sort you have simply flapped about and refused to retract the lie.

Somehow when I say "ANY arguments, data, evidence OR reasoning" you manage to ignore this entire sentence and make it all about science.... when I never imposed such limitations.

You are just misrepresenting and lying about my position and simply can not quote me saying what you claimed I said.... because I never said it.

Originally Posted by Hawkins

Clear?

Nope. The only thing that is still clear is you are attacking things I never said and claiming I said things I never said.