Hitler was not a christian - the evidence (salvation, translation, hell)

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[FONT="Verdana"][FONT="Verdana"]All the un-informed commentsby some professed atheists here confirm that they have [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT="Verdana"][FONT="Verdana"]a most uncomfortable AVERSION TO TRUTH.

Just a little investigation would have told them:
Why Hitler was most definitely NOT a CHRISTIAN.

History demonstrates that to claim Hitler was Christian is not only ILLOGICALbut is the ANTITHESES of REASON. Here‘s why:

Hitler’s Background:
** Adolf Hitler, was raised by his ‘UN-believer’ father. Unfortunately, hisCatholic mother (who died while Hitler was still young) had almost no powerwithin the household… and …Hitler having had a very disrupted childhood ofattending a long series of primary schools NEVER took interest in taking part [FONT="Verdana"]in the Sacraments (anabsolutely central part of Catholicism). In fact, Hitler had REJECTEDChristianity altogether by his teens (see Toland; Hitler; Wordsworth Editions;1997 Edn; pp. 18)
** Hitler then became an avid reader of racist publications (= anti-Christian) andsubsequently DISCARDED any notion of Christianity.
= Therefore Hitler REJECTED Christ by his teens and so CHOSE to NOT be aChristian.

** Hitler, like his father, grew up with NO interest whatever in Christianity -YET later in life - he callously engaged in BLASPHEMOUS misuse of God’s nameand Christianity for his OPPORTUNISTIC personal political strategies,especially in his rise to power (ie., to use religion “as a useful tool” forcunning manipulation of the voting public). Eg. The [/FONT][FONT="Calibri"]blasphemeous[/FONT][FONT="Verdana"] use of Nazi belt buckle (suggesting God being with them; whereas a [/FONT][FONT="Calibri"]true[/FONT][FONT="Verdana"] Christian would only consider questioning himself whether he is on God’sside and NEVER the other way round).

= Such were the extent of his adolescent unrepentant incessant blasphemiesagainst God, that Hitler could therefore NEVER be described as a “Christian”.

** “Hitler did NOT accept the conventional Christian vision of heaven and hell,NOR the survival [immortality] of an individual "soul"... [Hitlerbelieved that] we are animals and just like animals we face the choice ofdestroying or being destroyed." (see Laurence Rees; The Dark Charisma ofAdolph Hitler, p 135)

= Therefore Hitler adopted views COMPLETELY CONTRARY to the teachings of Christ= Therefore Hitler was NOT a follower of Christ -- and therefore Hitler was NOTa Christian.

[/FONT][FONT="Verdana"]Therefore it is aLOGICAL IMPOSSIBILITY for Hitler to have been a Christian.
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[FONT="Verdana"][FONT="Verdana"][FONT="Verdana"][FONT="Verdana"]** “There is NO evidencethat Hitler himself, (in his PERSONAL life), EVER expressed any individualbelief in the basic tenets of the Christian church" … “Thus hisrelationship in public to Christianity - indeed his relationship to religion ingeneral - was [entirely POLITICALLY] OPPORTUNISTIC” and “Hitler, as apolitician, simply recognised the practical reality of the world he inhabited”
... because “In PRIVATE, Hitler SCORNED Christianity to his friends, BUT whenout campaigning for power in Germany, he PUBLICLY made statements in favour ofthe religion” [which were “liberally peppered with religious-soundingrhetoric“] (see Lawrence Rees; “The Dark Charisma of Adolph Hitler, p 135 andIan Kershaw; “Hitler a Biography, p 373)

= Therefore Hitler had in fact BANISHED the Christian God from his personallife and was therefore NOT a Christian.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT="Verdana"][FONT="Verdana"][FONT="Verdana"][FONT="Verdana"][FONT="Verdana"]** According to historianMichael Rissmann, the emerging Hitler was now obsessively influenced byPan-Germanism, and thus REJECTED the Catholic Church… and ..
In Hitler’s opinion the issue was NOT negotiable: he said: “one is EITHER aChristian OR a German.”

= Therefore Hitler had clearly not only REJECTED Christ but had now BECOME anANTI-Christ.

** Hitler repeatedly stated that Nazism was a SECULAR ideology founded onscience (see Richard J. Evans; The Third Reich at War; Penguin Press; New York2009, p. 547)
(“founded on science” - note the interesting parallel to statements by atheistKarl Marx or by Richard Dawkins) … and in fact:
** Hitler was a zealous follower of ATHEIST Friedrich Nietzsche (who promotedEugenics, Euthanasia, Abortion and seeking JUSTIFICATION for “getting rid of‘the unfit’ in the population, etc. to create his notion of “racial purity;“ ofAryan superiority)
= To Hitler state-sponsored murder and brutal social engineering wasacceptable, even desirable.
= already Hitler‘s notion was to be a callous ‘BRUTE-opia‘
= Hitler had a profoundly ANTI-Christian attitude because his notion REJECTEDthe Christian teaching of the importance of EVERY human and their dignity andabsolute equality of ALL human beings before God.

= Therefore Hitler had clearly not only REJECTED Christ but had become an [FONT="Verdana"]ANTI-Christ.

= Therefore it is a LOGICAL IMPOSSIBILITY for Hitler to have been a Christian.

** Hitler espoused a ruthless policy of "negative Eugenic Selection", believing that world history consisted of a struggle for survival between races

= racism being a profoundly ANTI-Christian attitude
= Therefore Hitler had clearly not only REJECTED Christ but had BECOME an ANTI-Christ.

** According to Evans, Hitler "used his own version of the language of social Darwinism as a central element in the discursive practice of extermination...", and the language of Social Darwinism, in its Nazi variant, helped to REMOVE ALL RESTRAINT from the directors of the "terroristic and exterminatory" policies of the regime, by "persuading them [the regime and then the voting public] that what they were doing was JUSTIFIED by history, science and nature".
= Therefore Hitler had clearly not only REJECTED Christ but had NOW become a VIOLENT ANTI-Christ.

** “… the spreading poison of his lust for power and SELF-IDOLATRY (= false “god”) finally crowded out any memories of childhood beliefs and in 1937 he JETTISONED the last of his personal religious convictions” (see Max Domarus; “The Essential Hitler - Speeches and Commentary” p21)
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[color=#5A5A5A][FONT="Verdana"]= Therefore by his unrepentant unrelenting life-long BEHAVIOUR of breaking of ALL Ten Commandments, Hitler DEFINED himself as being a vicious ANTI-Christ.

** Samuel Koehne, a Research Fellow at the Alfred Deakin Research Institute, working on the official Nazi views on religion, answers the question [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT]
[FONT="Verdana"]“Was Hitler a Christian?” thus:
"Emphatically NOT, (ie, if we consider Christianity in its traditional or orthodox form) … It is an ABSOLUTE NONSENSE to suggest that Hitler - or ANY of the Nazis- adhered to Christianity in ANY form.” (seeKoehne, Samuel, “Hitler's faith: The debate over Nazism and religion“, ABC Religion and Ethics, 18 Apr. 2012)

** By now Hitler was also a serial fornicator, living a life of debauchery and arrogance.

= Therefore by his unrepentant unrelenting life-long BEHAVIOUR of BREAKING of ALL Ten Commandments, Hitler DEFINED himself as being a vicious ANTI-Christ.

Behaviour “DEFINES who a person REALLY is”.[/FONT]
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= Therefore to even suggest (by some on this site who have FAILED to do their homework) - that Hitler could EVER be considered a Christian - is fanatical INCOHERENT NONSENSE.[/FONT]

[FONT="Verdana"]** Hitler’s own associatesdisclose Hitler’s “burning HATRED for Christianity”
... and that between 1941 and 1944 a number of Hitler's intimates CONFIRM himexpressing increasing and EXTREMELY NEGATIVE views of Christianity:

* Hitler’s acutely ANTI-Christian statements made to his hierarchy, as:

* “Our epoch will certainly see the end of the DISEASE of Christianity“ (27thFebruary, 1942);

* “There is something very UNHEALTHY about Christianity” (9th April, 1942);

*“Christianity is an invention of SICK brains” (13th December, 1941);

* “The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that itknew nothing of the two great SCOURGES: the pox and Christianity” (19thOctober, 1941);[/FONT]

[FONT="Verdana"]Night of 11th-12th July,1941:
* “National Socialism and religion CANNOT exist together.... The heaviest blowthat ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism isChristianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew” (11th-12thJuly, 1941);

* “We’ll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflictwith the interests of the State.” (14th October, 1941)

= Therefore by his unrepentant unrelenting life-long BEHAVIOUR of breaking ofALL Ten Commandments, Hitler DEFINED himself as being a vicious ANTI-Christ.[/FONT]

[FONT="Verdana"]* Intensely Anti-Christianattitudes were even instilled in the youth to corrupt them:

[/FONT][FONT="Verdana"]A “Hitler YouthMarching Song” (Grunberger, A Social History) illustrates it:
"We follow NOT Christ, but Horst Wessel, Away with incense and Holy Water,The Church can go hang for all we care, The Swastika brings salvation onEarth."

= Therefore Hitler and his Nazi heirarchy - by their behaviour definedthemselves as VIOLENTLY ANTI-Christ.[/FONT]

[FONT="Verdana"]* In "Inside the ThirdReich," Albert Speer (one of Hitler's Nazi heiarchy) describes:
- how Hitler found no problem in exploiting the Church to his own advantage;
- how Hitler viewed the Church merely as a “useful tool.”
- Speer describes how Hitler very cunningly "adapted his remarks to his [FONT="Verdana"]surroundings", thus FEIGNINGfriendship with the church - A "CONVENIENT MASQUERADE" - “whenever it was EXPEDIENT to do so“.
- Speer is also another witness to Hitler's ferocious HATRED towardsChristianity.

= Hitler was a cynical “master manipulator” and liar - and therefore NOT afollower of Christ … and therefore NOT a Christian.
= Therefore Hitler - by his BEHAVIOUR defined himself as an ANTI-Christ.[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT="Verdana"][FONT="Verdana"][FONT="Verdana"]Sources:

* Sharkey, Word for Word/The Case Against the Nazis; How Hitler's ForcesPlanned To Destroy German Christianity, New York Times, 13 January 2002

* The Nazi Master Plan: The Persecution of the Christian Churches, RutgersJournal of Law and Religion, Winter 2001, publishing evidence compiled by theO.S.S. for the Nuremberg war-crimes trials of 1945 and 1946

* Historians such as Ian Kershaw, Joachim Fest and Alan Bullock agree thatHitler was ANTI-Christian - a view evidenced by sources such as the GoebbelsDiaries, the memoirs of Speer, and the hand-written stenographic transcriptsedited by Martin Bormann.

* Goebbels wrote in 1941 that “Hitler HATES Christianity” (see Fred TaylorTranslation; The Goebbels Diaries 1939-41; Hamish Hamilton Ltd; London; 1982;ISBN 0-241-10893-4; pp.304-305)

* Albert Speer. (1997). Inside the Third Reich: Memoirs. New York: Simon andSchuster

* Lawrence Rees; The Dark Charisma of Adolf Hitler; Ebury Press; 2012

* Alan Bullock; Hitler: a Study in Tyranny; HarperPerennial Edition 1991

* Joseph Goebbels, (see Jonathan (2002). All Or Nothing: The Axis and theHolocaust, 1941–1943. London: Routledge Press, p. 234);

* Albert Speer (see Albert (1971). Inside the Third Reich: Memoirs by AlbertSpeer. Trans. Richard Winston, Clara Winston, Eugene Davidson. New York:Macmillan, p. 143.
Reprinted in 1997 Inside the Third Reich: Memoirs. New York: Simon and [FONT="Verdana"]Schuster, p. 96)

* Martin Bormann (see Bullock, Alan (1991). Hitler and Stalin: Parallel Lives.New York: Vintage Books, p. 382).

= Therefore Hitler (despite public pretensions), was described by his owncollaborators as being profoundly ANTI-Christian.

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[FONT="Verdana"][FONT="Verdana"][FONT="Verdana"]Hitler’s REMOVAL of ALLMORAL RESTRAINT LEADING TO the MASS MURDER of the “FINAL SOLUTION“:

** After 1938 Hitler began to publicly support a Nazified version of science,particularly social Darwinism, at the core of NAZI ideology IN PLACE of aRELIGIOUS ONE (see Detlev (1993).

To learn of the very genesis of Hitler‘s ethnic-cleansing “Final Solution“ see:
"'The Genesis of the "Final Solution" from the Spirit ofScience' in Thomas Childers and Jane Caplan (eds)". Reevaluating the ThirdReich: 234–52) - a development that his INCREASINGLY HOSTILE remarks towardsreligion
- Hitler’s speeches that he had previously made in PRIVATE were now beingexpressed more openly.

=Therefore Hitler was in fact profoundly and VIOLENTLY ANTI-Christian.

= Therefore by his unrepentant unrelenting life-long BEHAVIOUR of breaking ofALL Ten Commandments, Hitler DEFINED himself as being a vicious ANTI-Christ.

** By 1940 it was public knowledge that Hitler had DISCARDED ANY possibility ofunion of Nazism with ANY religion (see Karla O, New Religions and the Nazis, p.28)

= Therefore Hitler was in fact profoundly and VIOLENTLY ANTI-Christian.

** Even historians who had previously given Hitler much leeway, admitted [FONT="Verdana"]that Hitler now showed an'unmistakable RUPTURE with ANY notion of Christianity.

= Therefore Hitler was in fact profoundly ANTI-Christian.

** This led to a widespread consensus among historians, sustained over a longperiod of time following the initial work of William Shirer in the 1960s (seeWilliam (1960, 1998). The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. London: ArrowBooks. pp. 234–240) … that Hitler was EXTREMELY anti-clerical.(seeKershaw, Ian (2001). Hitler 1889–1936: Hubris. London: Penguin. pp. xiv).

= Therefore Hitler was in fact profoundly and VIOLENTLY ANTI-Christian.

= Therefore by his unrepentant unrelenting life-long BEHAVIOUR of breaking ofALL Ten Commandments, Hitler DEFINED himself as being a vicious ANTI-Christ.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT="Verdana"]** In hissemi-autobiographical Mein Kampf - although Hitler makes several religiousallusions - he declares himself “NEUTRAL” in sectarian matters

= Therefore Hitler had clearly REJECTED Christianity.

** He presented his own NIHILISTIC, Social Darwinist vision, in which theuniverse is arranged around principles of struggle between weak and strong(rather than on conventional Christian notions of solidarity with any personexperiencing distress and of rushing to their aid).

= Therefore Hitler had in fact BANISHED the Christian God from his personallife and was therefore NOT a Christian.
= Therefore Hitler by his own admissionand by his BEHAVIOUR had clearly REJECTED Christianity.

** Historians such as Ian Kershaw, Joachim Fest and Alan Bullock agree that[FONT="Verdana"]Hitler was ANTI-Christian -a view also evidenced by even Nazi sources such as the Goebbels Diaries, thememoirs of Albert Speer (see Speer. (1997). Inside the Third Reich: Memoirs.New York: Simon and Schuster, p. 96.), and in the hand-written stenographictranscripts by Martin Bormann (head of the Party Chancellery (Parteikanzlei)and private secretary to Adolf Hitler).

= Therefore Hitler had in fact BANISHED the Christian God from his personallife and was therefore NOT a Christian.
= Therefore Hitler had clearly REJECTED Christianity.

** In “The Third Reich at War: How the Nazis led Germany from conquest todisaster“. (London: Penguin 2008 pp. 547–8) Richard Evans also reiteratedthe view that Nazism was secular, scientific and ANTI-religious in outlook andin the last volume of his trilogy on Nazi Germany, writing, 'Hitler's HOSTILITYto Christianity reached new heights, or depths, during the war.’

= Therefore Hitler had clearly totally REJECTED Christianity.
= Therefore by his unrepentant unrelenting life-long BEHAVIOUR of breaking ofALL Ten Commandments, Hitler DEFINED himself as being a vicious ANTI-Christ.[/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT="Verdana"]Hitler’s view ofChristianity: that “Nazism was completely INCOMPATIBLE with Christianity"(see“MartinBormann”. Jewish Virtual Library. Retrieved 9.3.08)
= Therefore Hitler had clearly totally REJECTED Christianity.

[FONT="Verdana"]** Hitler re-opened thefight against the Christian churches, declaring in a confidential memo to theGauleiters in 1942 that the power Christian churches “MUST absolutely andfinally be broken“ because of their influence being “a SERIOUS OBSTACLE” tototalitarian rule.
= Therefore Hitler was profoundly and VIOLENTLY ANTI-Christian.
= Therefore by his unrepentant unrelenting life-long BEHAVIOUR of breaking ofALL Ten Commandments, Hitler DEFINED himself as being a vicious ANTI-Christ.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT="Verdana"]** Martin Bormann’s view ofChristianity too (like Hitler’s) was epitomized in his confidential memo to theGauleiters in 1942 by stating that Nazism "was completely INCOMPATIBLEwith Christianity" and that the views of the Nazi hierarchy were of thesame opinion. (see "Martin Bormann". Jewish Virtual Library.Retrieved 2008-03-09).
= Therefore Hitler, Martin Bormann and all of the Nazi hierarchy evidenced bytheir behaviour had REJECTED Christianity; and were instead, either neo-paganor profoundly ANTI-Christian.
= Therefore by his unrepentant unrelenting life-long BEHAVIOUR of breaking ofALL Ten Commandments, Hitler DEFINED himself as being a vicious ANTI-Christ.

** Bormann was the main driving force of the Kirchenkampf (the ultimateERADICATION of ALL Christian churches) - which Hitler for TACTICAL reasons hadwished to POSTPONE until after the war. (see “Martin Bormann”. Jewish VirtualLibrary)

Jewish Historian, Max Isaac Dimont, tells us that the fact is, official Naziworks taught BOTH ANTI-Semitic and ANTI-Christian doctrines:
“ ‘If one believes the anti-Semitic, one should also believe theanti-Christian, for both had a single purpose‘.
Hitler’s aim was to eradicate all religious organizations within the state andto foster a return to paganism” (Jewish historian, Max Isaac Dimont, 1994, p.397).

= Therefore, Hitler could NEVER - in ANY sense of the word - be considered a “Christian”
= Therefore Hitler, Martin Bormann and all of the Nazi hierarchy evidenced bytheir behaviour had REJECTED Christianity; and were instead, either neo-paganor profoundly ANTI-Christian.[/FONT]

[FONT="Verdana"]>> Hitler's remarksat "private" conferences for the Nazi heirarchy were recorded byHeinrich Heim, Henry Picker, and Martin Bormann, and later published bydifferent editors, under different titles, in three different languages.

>> Albert Speer, who was the Minister of Armaments and War Production forNazi Germany, CONFIRMED the AUTHENTICITY of Henry Picker's Table Talk in his1976 memoirs.([13] Speer, Albert (1976). Spandau: The Secret Diaries. New York:Macmillan, p. 237)

>>Speer wrote:
- that Bormann was the driving force behind the REGIME’S CAMPAIGN AGAINST THECHURCHES.
- that Hitler approved of Bormann's aims, but was more pragmatic and wanted to"postpone this problem to a more favourable time":

>> Extract from Inside the Third Reich, the memoir of Albert Speer:
"Once I have settled my other problem," [Hitler] occasionallydeclared, "I'll have my reckoning with the church. I'll have it reeling onthe ropes"
But Bormann did not want this reckoning postponed ... he would take out adocument from his pocket and begin reading passages from a defiant sermon orpastoral letter. Frequently Hitler would become so worked up... and vowed topunish the offending clergyman eventually... [and] that he could not retaliateimmediately, raised him to a white heat…” - Albert Speer.

>> Martin Bormann, who was serving as Hitler's private secretary,persuaded Hitler to allow a team of specially picked officers to record inshorthand his private conversations for posterity.
The first notes were taken by the lawyer Heinrich Heim, starting from 5 July1941 to mid March 1942. Taking his place, Henry Picker took notes from 21 March1942 until 2 August 1942; after which Heinrich Heim and Martin Bormanncontinued appending material off and on until 1944.

>> Hitler’s private speeches were recorded at the Führerhauptquartier(Führer Headquarters) in the company of Hitler's inner circle.
The speeches not only dwell on war and foreign affairs, but also Hitler'scharacteristic attitudes on religion, culture, philosophy, personalaspirations, and his feelings towards his enemies and friends.

>> All editions and translations are based on the two original Germannotebooks, one by Henry Picker, and another based on a more complete notebookby Martin Bormann (which is often called the "Bormann-[FONT="Verdana"]Vermerke").[/FONT][/FONT]

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[FONT="Verdana"]Hitler is thus shown as having COMPLETE DISREGARD for the teachings of Christ.
Hitler was clearly a serial BREAKER of ALL TEN COMMANDMENTS (eg serial fornicator,arrogant and pathological compulsive liar, cynical emotional manipulator of people, a serialinstigator of racial hatred, of conflict, of invasion of other countries andthe theft of their economic resources, but also a mass-murderer with no remorse= ALL deliberate horrifying sins which would be impossible to rectify beforeforgiveness is possible).

= Therefore Hitler had clearly TOTALLY REJECTED Christianity
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= Therefore by his unrepentant unrelenting life-long BEHAVIOUR ...
- of totally disregarding the teachings of Christ;
- of breaking of ALL Ten Commandments
- Hitler DEFINED himself as being a vicious bigot and ANTI-Christ.

- and as Hitler (despite public pretensions), was CONFIRMED by his owncollaborators as being profoundly ANTI-Christian...

= It is therefore logically IMPOSSIBLE for Hitler to be a Christian AND anANTI-Christ at the same time.

Behaviour “DEFINES who a person REALLY is”.

= Therefore to even suggest (by some on this site who have FAILED to do theirhomework) - that Hitler could EVER be considered a Christian - is fanaticalINCOHERENT NONSENSE.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman]The DANGER TODAY:[/FONT]
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[FONT="Verdana"]Former atheist and writerAlexandr Solzhenitzyn WARNS the complacent western cultures that it is inescapably urgent to return to God and His laws otherwise the world is headed for self-destruction:

>> That the person or nation who BANISH GOD from their culture - thenGIVE THEMSELVES PERMISSION/JUSTIFICATION to engage in all manner of evil which issubsequently made possible --- to be perceived as necessary or acceptable oreven fashionable. (eg., “The whole art [of Propaganda] consists in doing thisso skilfully that everyone will be convinced that the fact is real, the processnecessary, the necessity correct …”(Mein Kampf, Vol 1, Ch 6 and Ch 12)

>>DANGER: Many of today’s cultures have already BANISHED God.

>> Result: They have already become yet another “fallen Babylon and thehabitation / dwelling place of devils” (Revelation 18:2 ).
Don't believe it? Just note the News to witness the evil taking place over the world.

>> Result: Modern "cultures" (term used very loosely) have becomea morass of obsessive self-indulgence, decaying crumbling drug-fuelled immoralityand lemming-like intellectual laziness.

>> Result: They have unwittingly already rolled out the red carpet foryet another ANTI-Christ: perhaps another Hitler, another Stalin, another PolPol.

>> DANGER: Today’s "cultures" have unwittingly already signedtheir own death warrant.[/FONT]
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[FONT="Verdana"]WARNING: It is not too late ... yet![/FONT]

[roscomac]

Who cares? Everyone sins, and there are no degrees of sin. So why the focus on Hitler?

[nezlie]

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[domenic]

All I see in this op is Hitler was not a Catholic? Many people are Christian, and not Catholic. If Hitler had won the war, nothing bad would have been known about him to the public.
Did you know after the war, General Eisenhower had 1,7 million German prisoner of war
starved to death? Russia did the same. Their reason? After WW1 the German Army was allowed to go home with their guns… those were the ones who backed Hitler on his rise to power. The winners of WW2 were making sure this did not happen again. All Governments do bad stuff. Eisenhower was a Catholic. He was also German.

But it’s good to see people research things. Keep doing it. A little thing often leads to something very big.

[DewDropInn]

Originally Posted by domenic

Eisenhower was a Catholic.

Wrong.

Do you think all this stuff up yourself or do you get it, and the rest of your "history" be it Eisenhower after the war or where homosexuals come from, from the same place you've gotten your Satan's seed info?

[domenic]

Originally Posted by DewDropInn

Wrong.

Do you think all this stuff up yourself or do you get it from the same place you've gotten your Satan's seed info?

Were do I get this stuff? You know how old people are. We save everything. I get my Satan seed stuff from the Bible. Good old evil Ike was a catholic.
You should read this...

One Evil: Dwight D. Eisenhower


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... That General Dwight D. Eisenhower and other senior Catholic Allied commanders did ... window of systematic human sacrifice by the Catholic controlled Nazis ...

[DewDropInn]

Originally Posted by domenic

Good old evil Ike was a catholic.

Lol. I can't wait to see who says, "I like how you think" on that one.

BTW: I wouldn't use that source, or try to sell that stuff, on the History threads. Though watching you get blown out of the water by actual scholars might be fun.

[Mr5150]

Was Hitler a Christian? The Bible provides an answer. The "fruits" of one's behavior is the telling thing. Or so says Jesus and Paul.

I can claim to be many things, but the proof is in what I do and what I know.

So did Hitler exhibit behavior consistent with what Jesus and Paul taught? Antichristian folk will point to the fact that Hitler said he was a Christian. Hey, anyone can lie and pretend for political purposes. Atheists, do you not agree?

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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]All the un-informed comments by some professedatheists here confirm that they have [/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]a most uncomfortable AVERSION TO TRUTH.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Just alittle investigation would have told them:[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Why HITLER was DEFINITELY NOT aCHRISTIAN.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] History demonstrates that to claimHitler was Christian is not only ILLOGICALbut is the ANTITHESES of REASON.Here‘s why: [/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]** Adolf Hitler, was raised by his ‘UN-believer’father. Unfortunately, his Catholic mother (who died while Hitler was stillyoung) had almost no power within the household… and …Hitler having had a verydisrupted childhood of attending a long series of primary schools NEVER tookinterest in taking part in the Sacraments (an absolutely central part of Catholicism). In fact,Hitler had REJECTED Christianity altogether by his teens (see Toland; Hitler;Wordsworth Editions;1997 Edn; pp. 18) [/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]** Hitler then became an avid reader of racistpublications (= anti-Christian) and subsequently DISCARDED any notion ofChristianity.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]= Therefore Hitler REJECTED Christ by histeens and so CHOSE to NOT be a Christian.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]**Hitler, like his father, grew up with NO interest whatever in Christianity -YET later in life - he callously found it "useful" to engage inBLASPHEMOUS misuse of God’s name and Christianity for his OPPORTUNISTICpersonal political strategies, especially in his rise to power (ie., to usereligion “as a useful tool” for cunning manipulation of the votingpublic). [/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]eg. the blasphemous use of Nazi belt buckle(suggesting God being with them;whereas a true[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Christian would only consider questioning himselfwhether he himself is on God’s side and NEVER the other way round).[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]= Suchwas the extent of his adolescent unrepentant incessant blasphemies against God,that Hitler could therefore NEVER be described as a “Christian”.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]** “Hitler did NOT accept theconventional Christian vision of heaven and hell, NOR the survival[immortality] of an individual "soul"... [Hitler believed that] weare animals and just like animals we face the choice of destroying or beingdestroyed." (see Laurence Rees; The Dark Charisma of Adolph Hitler, p 135)[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]=Therefore Hitler adopted views COMPLETELY CONTRARY to the teachings ofChrist[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]= Therefore Hitler was NOT a follower ofChrist -- and therefore Hitler was NOTa Christian.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]= Therefore itis a LOGICAL IMPOSSIBILITY for Hitler to have been a Christian. [/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]**“There is NO evidence that Hitler himself, (in his PERSONAL life), EVERexpressed any individual belief in the basic tenets of the Christianchurch" … “Thus his relationship in public to Christianity - indeed hisrelationship to religion in general - was [entirely POLITICALLY] OPPORTUNISTIC”and “Hitler, as a politician, simply recognised the practical reality of theworld he inhabited” [/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]... because “In PRIVATE, Hitler SCORNEDChristianity to his friends, BUT when out campaigning for power in Germany, hePUBLICLY made statements in favour ofthe religion” [which were “liberallypeppered with religious-sounding rhetoric“] (see Lawrence Rees; “The DarkCharisma of Adolph Hitler, p 135 andIan Kershaw; “Hitler a Biography, p 373)[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]=Therefore Hitler had in factBANISHED the Christian God from his personal life and was therefore NOT aChristian.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]**According to historian Michael Rissmann, the emerging Hitler was nowobsessively influenced byPan-Germanism, and thus REJECTED the Catholic Church…and ... [/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] In Hitler’s opinion the issue was NOTnegotiable: he said: “one is EITHER a Christian OR a German.” [/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]= Therefore Hitler had clearly not only REJECTED Christ buthad now BECOME an ANTI-Christ.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Hitlerrepeatedly stated that Nazism was a SECULAR ideology founded on science (seeRichard J. Evans; The Third Reich at War; Penguin Press; New York2009, p. 547)[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman](“founded on science” - note the interestingparallel to statements by atheist Karl Marx or by Richard Dawkins) … and infact:[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]** Hitler was a zealous follower of ATHEISTFriedrich Nietzsche (who promoted Eugenics, Euthanasia, Abortion and seekingJUSTIFICATION for “getting rid of ‘the unfit’ in the population, etc. to createhis notion of “racial purity;“ of Aryan superiority)[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]= To Hitler state-sponsored murder and brutalsocial engineering was acceptable, even desirable. [/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]= already Hitler‘s notion was to be a callous‘BRUTE-topia‘ [/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]= Hitlerhad a profoundly ANTI-Christian attitude because his notion REJECTED theChristian teaching of the importance of EVERY human and their dignity andabsolute equality of ALL human beings before God. [/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]=Therefore Hitler had clearly not only REJECTED Christ but had become anANTI-Christ.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]=Therefore it is a LOGICAL IMPOSSIBILITY for Hitler to have been a Christian.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]**Hitler espoused a ruthless policy of "negative EugenicSelection", believing that world history consisted of a struggle forsurvival between races [/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]=racism being a profoundly ANTI-Christian attitude [/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] = Therefore Hitler had clearly not onlyREJECTED Christ but had BECOME an ANTI-Christ[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]**According to Evans, Hitler "used his own version of the language of socialDarwinism as a central element in the discursive practice ofextermination...", and the language of Social Darwinism, in its Nazivariant, helped to REMOVE ALL RESTRAINT from the directors of the"terroristic and exterminatory" policies of the regime, by"persuading them [the regime and then the voting public] that what theywere doing was JUSTIFIED by history, science and nature [/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]= Therefore Hitler had clearly not onlyREJECTED Christ but had now BECOME a VIOLENT ANTI-Christ.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]**“… the spreading poison of his lust for power and SELF-IDOLATRY (= false “god”)finally crowded out any memories of childhood beliefs and in 1937 heJETTISONED the last of his personal religious convictions” (see MaxDomarus; “The Essential Hitler - Speeches and Commentary” p21)[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]=Therefore by his unrepentant unrelenting life-long BEHAVIOUR of breaking of ALLTen Commandments, Hitler DEFINED himself as being a vicious ANTI-Christ.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]**Samuel Koehne, a Research Fellow at the Alfred Deakin Research Institute,working on the official Nazi views on religion, answers the question “Wa****ler a Christian?” thus:[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] "Emphatically NOT, (ie, if weconsider Christianity in its traditional or orthodox form) … It is anABSOLUTE NONSENSE to suggest that Hitler - or ANY of the Nazis- adhered toChristianity in ANY form.” (seeKoehne, Samuel, “Hitler's faith: The debateover Nazism and religion“, ABC Religion and Ethics, 18 Apr. 2012)[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]** Bynow Hitler was also a serial fornicator, living a life of debauchery andarrogance.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Behaviour“DEFINES who a person REALLY is”.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]=Therefore by his unrepentant unrelenting life-long BEHAVIOUR of BREAKING of ALLTen Commandments, Hitler DEFINED himself as being a viciousANTI-Christ.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]=Therefore to even suggest (by some on this site who have FAILED to do theirhomework) - that Hitler could EVER be considered a Christian - is fanaticalINCOHERENT NONSENSE.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]**Hitler’s own associatesdiscloseHitler’s “burning HATRED for Christianity”[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]... andthat between 1941 and 1944 a number of Hitler's intimates CONFIRM himexpressing increasing and EXTREMELY NEGATIVE views of Christianity:[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]* Hitler’sacutely ANTI-Christian statements made to his hierarchy, as:[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]* “Our epoch will certainly see the end of theDISEASE of Christianity“ (27thFebruary, 1942);[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]* “There is something very UNHEALTHY aboutChristianity” (9th April, 1942)[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]*“Christianity is an invention of SICK brains”(13th December, 1941);[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]* “The reason why the ancient world was so pure,light and serene was that itknew nothing of the two great SCOURGES: the pox andChristianity” (19thOctober, 1941);[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Night of11th-12th July,1941:[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]* “National Socialism and religion CANNOT existtogether.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming ofChristianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both areinventions of the Jew” (11th-12thJuly, 1941);[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] * “We’ll see to it that the Churchescannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State.”(14th October, 1941)[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]=Therefore by his unrepentant unrelenting life-long BEHAVIOUR of breaking ofALLTen Commandments, Hitler DEFINED himself as being a vicious ANTI-Christ.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]* IntenselyAnti-Christian attitude were even instilled in the youth to corruptthem:A“Hitler Youth Marching Song” (Grunberger, A Social History) illustrates it:[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]"We follow NOT Christ, but Horst Wessel,Away with incense and Holy Water,The Church can go hang for all we care, TheSwastika brings salvation onEarth."[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]=Therefore Hitler and his Nazi heirarchy - by their behaviour defined themselvesas VIOLENTLY ANTI-Christ.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]* In"Inside the Third Reich," Albert Speer (one of Hitler's Naziheiarchy) describes:[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]- how Hitler found no problem in exploitingthe Church to his own advantage;[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]- how Hitler viewed the Church merely asa “useful tool.” [/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]- Speer describes how Hitler very cunningly"adapted his remarks to his surroundings", thus FEIGNING friendship with the church -a "CONVENIENT MASQUERADE" - “whenever it was EXPEDIENT to doso“.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]- Speer isalso another witness to Hitler's ferocious HATRED towards Christianity.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]= Hitlerwas a cynical “master manipulator” and liar - and therefore NOT afollower ofChrist … and therefore NOT a Christian.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]= Therefore Hitler - by his BEHAVIOUR definedhimself as an ANTI-Christ.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Sources[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]* Sharkey,Word for Word/The Case Against the Nazis; How Hitler's Forces Planned ToDestroy German Christianity, New York Times, 13 January 2002 [/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]* TheNazi Master Plan: The Persecution of the Christian Churches, Rutgers Journal ofLaw and Religion, Winter 2001, publishing evidence compiled by the O.S.S. forthe Nuremberg war-crimes trials of 1945 and 1946[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]* Historians such as Ian Kershaw, JoachimFest and Alan Bullock agree that Hitler was ANTI-Christian - a view evidencedby sources such as the Goebbels Diaries, the memoirs of Speer, and thehand-written stenographic transcripts edited by Martin Bormann.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]*Goebbels wrote in 1941 that “Hitler HATES Christianity” (see Fred Taylor Translation;The Goebbels Diaries 1939-41; Hamish Hamilton Ltd; London; 1982;ISBN0-241-10893-4; pp.304-305) [/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]*Albert Speer. (1997). Inside the Third Reich: Memoirs. New York: Simon andSchuster[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]* LawrenceRees; The Dark Charisma of Adolf Hitler; Ebury Press; 2012[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]*Alan Bullock; Hitler: a Study in Tyranny; Harper Perennial Edition 1991[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]*Joseph Goebbels, (see Jonathan (2002). All Or Nothing: The Axis and the Holocaust,1941–1943. London: Routledge Press, p. 234);[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]*Albert Speer (see Albert (1971). Inside the Third Reich: Memoirs by Albert Speer.Trans. Richard Winston, Clara Winston, Eugene Davidson. New York: Macmillan, p.143.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Reprintedin 1997 Inside the Third Reich: Memoirs. New York: Simon and Schuster, p. 96)[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] * Martin Bormann (see Bullock, Alan(1991). Hitler and Stalin: Parallel Lives. New York: Vintage Books, p. 382).[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] = Therefore Hitler (despite publicpretensions), was described by his own collaborators as being profoundlyANTI-Christian.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Hitler’sREMOVAL of ALL MORAL RESTRAINT LEADING TO the MASS MURDER of the “FINALSOLUTION[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]After1938 Hitler began to publicly support a Nazified version of science, particularlysocial Darwinism, at the core of NAZI ideology IN PLACE of a RELIGIOUS ONE (see Detlev (1993).[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]To learnof the very genesis of Hitler‘s ethnic-cleansing “Final Solution“ see:[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]"'The Genesis of the "FinalSolution" from the Spirit of Science' in Thomas Childers and Jane Caplan(eds)". Reevaluating the ThirdReich: 234–52) - a development that hisINCREASINGLY HOSTILE remarks towards religion - Hitler’s speeches that he hadpreviously made in PRIVATE were now being expressed more openly.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]=ThereforeHitler was in fact profoundly and VIOLENTLY ANTI-Christian.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]=Therefore by his unrepentant unrelenting life-long BEHAVIOUR of breaking of ALLTen Commandments, Hitler DEFINED himself as being a vicious ANTI-Christ.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]** By1940 it was public knowledge that Hitler had REJECTED ANY possibility ofunionof Nazism with ANY religion (see Karla O, New Religions and the Nazis, p.28)[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]= ThereforeHitler was in fact profoundly and VIOLENTLY ANTI-Christian.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]** Evenhistorians who had previously given Hitler much leeway, admitted that Hitlernow showed an 'unmistakable RUPTURE with ANY notion of Christianity.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]=Therefore Hitler was in factprofoundly ANTI-Christian.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]**This led to a widespread consensus among historians, sustained over a long periodof time following the initial work of William Shirer in the 1960s (seeWilliam(1960, 1998). The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. London: Arrow Books. pp.234–240) … that Hitler was EXTREMELY anti-clerical.(see Kershaw, Ian (2001).Hitler 1889–1936: Hubris. London: Penguin. pp. xiv).[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]=Therefore Hitler was in fact profoundly and VIOLENTLY ANTI-Christian.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]=Therefore by his unrepentant unrelenting life-long BEHAVIOUR of breaking of ALLTen Commandments, Hitler DEFINED himself as being a vicious ANTI-Christ.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]** Inhis semi-autobiographical Mein Kampf - although Hitler makes several religious allusions- he declares himself “NEUTRAL” in sectarian matters[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]= ThereforeHitler had clearly REJECTED Christianity.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]** Hepresented his own NIHILISTIC, Social Darwinist vision, in which the universe isarranged around principles of struggle between weak and strong(rather than onconventional Christian notions of solidarity with any person experiencingdistress and of rushing to their aid). [/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]=Therefore Hitler had in fact BANISHED the Christian God from his personal lifeand was therefore NOT a Christian.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]=Therefore Hitler by his own admission and by his BEHAVIOUR had clearly REJECTEDChristianity.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]**Historians such as Ian Kershaw, Joachim Fest and Alan Bullock agree that Hitler was ANTI-Christian -a view also evidenced by even Nazi sources such as the Goebbels Diaries,the memoirs of Albert Speer (see Speer.(1997). Inside the Third Reich: Memoirs.New York: Simon and Schuster, p. 96.),and in the hand-written stenographic transcriptsby Martin Bormann (head of the Party Chancellery (Parteikanzlei)and privatesecretary to Adolf Hitler).[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]=Therefore Hitler had in fact BANISHED the Christian God from hispersonal life and was therefore NOT a Christian.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]= Therefore Hitler had clearly REJECTEDChristianity.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] ** In “The Third Reich at War: How theNazis led Germany from conquest to disaster“. (London: Penguin 2008 pp. 547–8)Richard Evans also reiterated the view that Nazism was secular, scientific andANTI-religious in outlook andin the last volume of his trilogy on Nazi Germany,writing, 'Hitler's HOSTILITYto Christianity reached new heights, or depths,during the war.’[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]=Therefore Hitler had clearly totally REJECTED Christianity.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]= Therefore by his unrepentant unrelentinglife-long BEHAVIOUR of breaking ofALLTen Commandments, Hitler DEFINED himself as being avicious ANTI-Christ.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Hitler’sview of Christianity: that “Nazism was completely INCOMPATIBLE withChristianity"(see“ Martin Bormann”. Jewish Virtual Library. Retrieved9.3.08)[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]=Therefore Hitler had clearlytotally REJECTED Christianity.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]**Hitler re-opened thefight against the Christian churches, declaring in aconfidential memo to the Gauleiters in 1942 that the power Christian churches“MUST absolutely and finally be broken“ because of their influence being “a SERIOUSOBSTACLE” to totalitarian rule.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]= Therefore Hitler was profoundly andVIOLENTLY ANTI-Christian.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]= Therefore by his unrepentant unrelentinglife-long BEHAVIOUR of breaking of ALL Ten Commandments, Hitler DEFINEDhimself as being a vicious ANTI-Christ.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]** Martin Bormann’s view of Christianity too(like Hitler’s) was epitomized in his confidential memo to the Gauleiters in1942 by stating that Nazism "was completely INCOMPATIBLE withChristianity" and that the views of the Nazi hierarchy were of the sameopinion. (see "Martin Bormann". Jewish Virtual Library .Retrieved2008-03-09).[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]= Therefore Hitler, Martin Bormann and all of theNazi hierarchy evidenced bytheir behaviour had REJECTED Christianity; and wereinstead, either neo-pagan or profoundly ANTI-Christian.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]= Therefore by his unrepentant unrelentinglife-long BEHAVIOUR of breaking ofALL Ten Commandments, Hitler DEFINEDhimself as being a vicious ANTI-Christ.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]** Bormann was the main driving force of theKirchenkampf (the ultimate ERADICATION of ALL Christian churches) -which Hitler for TACTICAL reasons hadwished to POSTPONE untilafter the war. (see “Martin Bormann”. Jewish Virtual Library)[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Jewish Historian, Max Isaac Dimont, tells usthat the fact is, official Nazi works taught BOTH ANTI-Semitic andANTI-Christian doctrines:[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]“ ‘If one believes the anti-Semitic, oneshould also believe the anti-Christian, for both had a single purpose‘. [/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Hitler’s aim was to eradicate all religiousorganizations within the state and to foster a return to paganism” (Jewishhistorian, Max Isaac Dimont, 1994, p.397).[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]= Therefore, Hitler could NEVER - in ANY senseof the word - be considered a “Christian"[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]= Therefore Hitler, Martin Bormann and all of theNazi hierarchy evidenced by their behaviour had REJECTED Christianity; and wereinstead, either neo-pagan or profoundly ANTI-Christian.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]>> Hitler's remarks at "private"conferences for the Nazi hierarchy were recorded by Heinrich Heim, HenryPicker, and Martin Bormann, and later published by different editors, underdifferent titles, in three different languages.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] >> Albert Speer, who was theMinister of Armaments and War Production for Nazi Germany, CONFIRMED theAUTHENTICITY of Henry Picker's Table Talk in his1976 memoirs.([13] Speer,Albert (1976). Spandau: The Secret Diaries. New York Macmillan, p. 237)[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]>>Speer wrote:[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]- that Hitler approved of Bormann's aims, butwas more pragmatic and wanted to" postpone this problem to a morefavourable time":[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]>>Extract from Inside the Third Reich, the memoir of Albert Speer:[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]"Once I have settled my otherproblem," [Hitler] occasionally declared, "I'll have my reckoningwith the church. I'll have it reeling on the ropes" [/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]But Bormann did not want this reckoningpostponed ... he would take out a document from his pocket and begin readingpassages from a defiant sermon or pastoral letter. Frequently Hitler wouldbecome so worked up... and vowed to punish the offending clergyman eventually...[and] that he could not retaliate immediately, raised him to a white heat…” -Albert Speer.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]>>Martin Bormann, who was serving as Hitler's private secretary, persuaded Hitlerto allow a team of specially picked officers to record in shorthand his privateconversations for posterity.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]The first notes were taken by the lawyerHeinrich Heim, starting from 5 July1941 to mid-March 1942. Taking his place,Henry Picker took notes from 21 March1942 until 2 August 1942; after whichHeinrich Heim and Martin Bormann continued appending material off and on until1944.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]>>Hitler’s private speeches were recorded at the Führerhauptquartier (FührerHeadquarters) in the company of Hitler's inner circle.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]The speeches not only dwell on war and foreignaffairs, but also Hitler's characteristic attitudes on religion, culture,philosophy, personal aspirations, and his feelings towards his enemies andfriends.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]>>All editions and translations are based on the two original German notebooks,one by Henry Picker, and another based on a more complete note book by MartinBormann (which is often called the "Bormann-Vermerke").[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Hitleris thus shown as having COMPLETE DISREGARD for the teachings of Christ.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Hitler was clearly a serial BREAKER of ALL TENCOMMANDMENTS (eg serial fornicator, arrogant and pathological compulsive liar,cynical emotional manipulator of people, a serial instigator of racial hatred,of conflict, of invasion of other countries and the theft of their economicresources, but also a mass-murderer with no remorse = ALL deliberate horrifyingsins which would be impossible to rectify before forgiveness is possible).[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]= Therefore Hitler had clearly TOTALLYREJECTED Christianity[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]=Therefore by his unrepentant unrelenting life-long BEHAVIOUR ... [/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]- by totally disregarding the teachings ofChrist; - by breaking of ALL Ten Commandments [/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]- Hitler DEFINED himself as being a viciousbigot and ANTI-Christ.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]- andas Hitler (despite public pretensions), was CONFIRMED by his own collaboratorsas being profoundly ANTI-Christian...[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]… It is therefore logically IMPOSSIBLE forHitler to be a Christian AND an ANTI-Christ at the same time.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Behaviour“DEFINES who a person REALLY is”.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]=Therefore to even suggest (by some on this site who have FAILED to do their homework)- that Hitler could EVER be considered a Christian - is fanatical INCOHERENTNONSENSE.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]The DANGER TODAY:[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] Former atheist and writer AlexandrSolzhenitzyn WARNS the complacent western cultures that it is inescapablyurgent to return to God and His laws otherwise the world is headed forself-destruction:[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] >> That the person or nation whoBANISH GOD from their culture - then GIVE THEMSELVES PERMISSION /JUSTIFICATIONto engage in all manner of evil which is subsequently made possible --- to beperceived as necessary or acceptable or even fashionable by the propaganda oftyrants (eg., “The whole art [of Propaganda] consists in doing this soskilfully that everyone will be convinced that the fact is real, the process necessary,the necessity correct …”(Hitler in Mein Kampf, Vol 1, Ch 6 and Ch 12)[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] ... and we must remember ... thatthose who do not learn from the lessons of history condemn themselves torepeating the mistakes.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] >>DANGER: Many of today’s cultureshave already BANISHED God.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] >> Result: Many cultures havealready become yet another “fallen Babylon and the habitation / dwelling placeof devils” (Revelation 18:2 ).[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Don't believe it? Just note the dailynews-reports to witness the evil taking place across the world.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] >> Result: Modern"cultures" (term used very loosely) have becomea morass of obsessiveself-indulgence, decaying crumbling drug-fuelled immoralityand lemming-likeintellectual laziness.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] >> Result: They have unwittinglyalready rolled out the red carpet foryet another ANTI-Christ: perhaps anotherHitler, another Stalin, another Pol Pot. [/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] >> DANGER: Today’s"cultures" who are not returning to God have unwittingly by defaultfallen into captivity to evil and signed their own death warrants.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] WARNING: It is not too late ... yet![/FONT][/SIZE]
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Originally Posted by DewDropInn

Lol. I can't wait to see who says, "I like how you think" on that one.

BTW: I wouldn't use that source, or try to sell that stuff, on the History threads. Though watching you get blown out of the water by actual scholars might be fun.

My shield is never up when talking about the Bible, or proven history. Perhaps you should first prove what you say before saying something is not true. Why would you want to see me blown out of the water? Are we both not seeking truth?