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Old 08-17-2014, 05:32 PM
 
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If Jesus was the same as God the Father, would he say that God the Father was HIS GOD?

Rev 3:2 Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God.

Rev 3:12 Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name.


Jesus said that "me and the father are one". He also said that "the father is greater than me".

So all this together means that Jesus is not the same person as God. If there is a trinity, then beings in it are not equal to each other. One of the Beings could be a god to another one.

In Revelation, there is always a distinction between the one who sits on the throne (god the father) and the one who represents Jesus (the lamb)
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Old 08-17-2014, 07:18 PM
 
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If Jesus did indeed exist and did indeed say what you cite above, then I think he meant we are all part of what is eternal.

ETA: But maybe some parts are older and wiser than others.
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Old 08-19-2014, 01:19 PM
 
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If Jesus was the same as God the Father, would he say that God the Father was HIS GOD?

Rev 3:2 Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God.

Rev 3:12 Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name.


Jesus said that "me and the father are one". He also said that "the father is greater than me".

So all this together means that Jesus is not the same person as God. If there is a trinity, then beings in it are not equal to each other. One of the Beings could be a god to another one.

In Revelation, there is always a distinction between the one who sits on the throne (god the father) and the one who represents Jesus (the lamb)

As well the nt bible writers are all in agreement--Jesus has a God-his Father--John 20:17
2Cor 1:3,, 1Cor 8:6,, 1Cor 15:24-28
1Peter 1:3
Rev 1:6

Making the total # of trinity gods in existence= 0
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