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Old 11-15-2014, 08:01 AM
 
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In a thread in the Christianity Forum there's been some discussion about a supposed miracle healing that a doctor suggests was a divine healing. Why would an individual who is educated in the sciences, works in the sciences daily, and makes his living in the sciences believe in unscientific divine intervention?

Is it not the theistic belief that prayer can cure/fix/heal anything and everything if its God's will? Why would theist doctors spend their time and money becoming educated to be able to cure the sick when prayer would simply work? Certainly, if its God's will for the person to be cured he/she will be, at much less cost and with much less pain and effort, if sincerely prayed for.
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Old 11-15-2014, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Florida
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It's Amazn to me too John, but I guess only a doctor that believes so can answer that question.
Of course the fact that theists give about prayers being answered with yes, no or maybe later is so the doc gets to use his "God-given" talents to effect the yes or later.
If the ultimate answer ends up being No regardless of the doc's efforts, that teaches humility so he can remain subservient to this wonderful god which he must do in order to earn his way into heaven.

I think that's the way it goes.........it's amazn you can't see the benefit of living this way

Funny that even god fearing Christians don't see the outcome as God's will when they bring malpractice suits.
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Old 11-15-2014, 08:38 AM
 
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We have seen medical miracles all throughout history, with no logical reason for them.

However that does not default to God.
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Old 11-15-2014, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Hickville USA
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It is curious and highly unusual for a professional like that to make such a claim.....he/she must be a christian also. But as Jima49 said, an unexplained medical "miracle" does not mean an automatic default to "goddunnit". We just don't have all the answers yet, that's all.
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Old 11-15-2014, 08:53 AM
 
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It is curious and highly unusual for a professional like that to make such a claim.....he/she must be a christian also. But as Jima49 said, an unexplained medical "miracle" does not mean an automatic default to "goddunnit". We just don't have all the answers yet, that's all.
It's been suggested that the conclusion that this is likely not a divine miracle suggests confirmation bias by unbelievers, equating it with what theists do. I don't see how it can be equated in the least.
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Old 11-15-2014, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Seymour, CT
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Confirmation bias.

You find what you're looking for because you want to find it.

No explanation? Guess God dun it! The only thing "God Dun it" explanations have done for us historically is hold back progression. Imagine what the world would be like if instead of researching (then unknown) things we just pass it off to "God musta dun it" how regressed we would be?

Why research the things that we have the answer to already? We already know it was God so why look further?

So we look further and find perfectly naturalistic explanations for the things that occur and add that to our knowledge. Now instead of saying "God dun it" you're going to give the actual explanation of said phenomenon.

People used to think Gods were the reasons for the things that they didn't understand and still do this today.

Thunder, lightning, earthquakes, volcanoes etc.. But of course after years of research we know why all of those things do what they do! Why? Because we didn't stop looking for answers after "God dun it"!
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Old 11-15-2014, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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We have seen medical miracles all throughout history, with no logical reason for them.

However that does not default to God.
How do you explain a miracle without the supernatural (god)?
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Old 11-15-2014, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Seymour, CT
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How do you explain a miracle without the supernatural (god)?
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Old 11-15-2014, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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If it's science, it's not a miracle.
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Old 11-15-2014, 01:40 PM
 
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How do you explain a miracle without the supernatural (god)?
We have much we just do not know, but as was pointed out, it does not default to God.
If you accept God as the answer, you will never know.

And then what is scary is people will try to feebly say this proves a god, then the next step is to attach it to their particular God.
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