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Old 01-05-2015, 07:42 PM
 
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You can also look at Judaism wish has a list of holidays related to the change of seasons.

Rosh Hashanah
Judaism 101: Rosh Hashanah
Sukkot
Judaism 101: Sukkot
Tu B'Shevat
Judaism 101: Tu B'Shevat
Lag B'Omer
Judaism 101: The Counting of the Omer
Shavu'ot
Judaism 101: Shavu'ot
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Old 01-05-2015, 07:52 PM
 
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You can also look at Judaism wish has a list of holidays related to the change of seasons.

Rosh Hashanah
Judaism 101: Rosh Hashanah
Sukkot
Judaism 101: Sukkot
Tu B'Shevat
Judaism 101: Tu B'Shevat
Lag B'Omer
Judaism 101: The Counting of the Omer
Shavu'ot
Judaism 101: Shavu'ot
Thank you so much for the links brother. God Bless you.
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Old 01-06-2015, 12:35 AM
 
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It is in genesis where the flight of the bird is explained as a mystery. The flat earthers had no idea where the birds went in winter. Their return would be round about the onset of summer or they may have though god simply recreated them.

The ME is not really known for deep philosophical thought.

The term goatherders is merely a platitude to illustrate that we modern humans know a heap more about the bird and the bees et al. than these folk did. The scribblings of "goatherders" in their finite small worldview should not be a yardstick of how we conduct ourselves today.

When muslims claim mohammed splitting the moon is factual, well we have every right to call their holy texts ramblings of goatherders.

To digress, the bible (and koran) got it totally wrong regarding human reproduction and this archaic POV lived on till Dr Ernst Von Baer discovered the human ovum (egg) and the whole pretext of men being this special privileged sex simply b/c ejaculate was visible to the human eye and the ovum not, menses seen as unclean etc. Well, the misogyny based on these texts lives on in the 21st century. We all know now that the woman's contribution is 100% and the man 1/~300M; not to mention she does all the hard work pre and post birth.

Perhaps there were lucid thinkers over the centuries but the men in frocks and funny hats would have none of that sciency stuff.
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Old 01-06-2015, 10:32 AM
 
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It is in genesis where the flight of the bird is explained as a mystery. The flat earthers had no idea where the birds went in winter. Their return would be round about the onset of summer or they may have though god simply recreated them.

The ME is not really known for deep philosophical thought.

The term goatherders is merely a platitude to illustrate that we modern humans know a heap more about the bird and the bees et al. than these folk did. The scribblings of "goatherders" in their finite small worldview should not be a yardstick of how we conduct ourselves today.

When muslims claim mohammed splitting the moon is factual, well we have every right to call their holy texts ramblings of goatherders.

To digress, the bible (and koran) got it totally wrong regarding human reproduction and this archaic POV lived on till Dr Ernst Von Baer discovered the human ovum (egg) and the whole pretext of men being this special privileged sex simply b/c ejaculate was visible to the human eye and the ovum not, menses seen as unclean etc. Well, the misogyny based on these texts lives on in the 21st century. We all know now that the woman's contribution is 100% and the man 1/~300M; not to mention she does all the hard work pre and post birth.

Perhaps there were lucid thinkers over the centuries but the men in frocks and funny hats would have none of that sciency stuff.
And the truth set us free. Jesus showed us how we are to live. Male fertility and vitality was worshiped in ancient times this is manifest in many pagan systems of belief. Not sure where you got your info on womens contribution is 100% In terms of biology and chromosomes. The male carries both x and y. while the female carries only xx. So as it is said in Genesis a female came from the male. The balance of dual sexes in nature can change. You would have to study chromosomes. Now we can carry on in through the evo steps Before male all was one. The Y is the game changer. Nothing superior about this but our ancestors might have had some serious insight, something inherent. Evolution of the Y Chromosome | HHMI's BioInteractive
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Old 01-06-2015, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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You can also look at Judaism wish has a list of holidays related to the change of seasons.

Rosh Hashanah
Judaism 101: Rosh Hashanah
Sukkot
Judaism 101: Sukkot
Tu B'Shevat
Judaism 101: Tu B'Shevat
Lag B'Omer
Judaism 101: The Counting of the Omer
Shavu'ot
Judaism 101: Shavu'ot

There is the spring and there is the fall, two comings of rain, two seasons.

Shavuot is the Pentecost and the giving of rain in the spring and the rain was given to those who prepared and prayed for the spirit, and because they watch as they were told to watch and prepare, they were warned.

The fall is EXACTLY the same way.

The spirit was giving on Shavuot because the law was given, and it was given on the one day that concluded the entire spring season.


But the law is also given on Shemini Atzaereth, and where Shavuot concludes the spring, Shemini Atzereth concludes the fall.

We are to pray for the dew in the spring because it is such a great flood in the fall that only the dew is prayed for in the spring.

The fall rains are so great that we are told to expect a double portion in the conclusion day of the fall.



Those disciples only received the spirit because they were warned, and they were only warned because they were already counting the omer right up until the promise was given, and when they received, they shared.


But the spirit which is given in the fall rains is not shared at all.


It will come to those who watch and know the times and the seasons because we are given times and seasons to watch, and if God has set a day that he says he will come and visit you, and you don't prepare to meet your God, there will be no excuse to say,'' Nobody told me that this was an appointed visitation day of God, and nobody told me to prepare, and nobody told me that there was another Holy spirit to be given in the second rain, and nobody told me to keep the Sukkot and to pray for the rain of Shemini Atzereth.

God has told everyone, and it has been written and recorded for all to see, and for all to obtain the spirit on certain days.


Just talking to myself Pruzhany
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Old 01-07-2015, 11:41 PM
 
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And the truth set us free. Jesus showed us how we are to live. Male fertility and vitality was worshiped in ancient times this is manifest in many pagan systems of belief. Not sure where you got your info on womens contribution is 100% In terms of biology and chromosomes. The male carries both x and y. while the female carries only xx. So as it is said in Genesis a female came from the male. The balance of dual sexes in nature can change. You would have to study chromosomes. Now we can carry on in through the evo steps Before male all was one. The Y is the game changer. Nothing superior about this but our ancestors might have had some serious insight, something inherent. Evolution of the Y Chromosome | HHMI's BioInteractive
Lemme spell it out for you. Ovulation takes place, one ovum is released. Ejaculation takes place, 300 million sperm are released, only one sperm fertilises the ovum.

The ancients had no idea of the woman's contribution to the conception, in fact conception was probably not even considered, it is not like she laid an egg like a chicken. The idea was that women were incubators for the "seed of man". The only reason this was so is that ejaculate is visible to naked eye; you need a microscope to see the ovum, and they come in singles.

Religious or not, this POV held until the ovum was discovered in the 18th century. Religious texts supposedly inspired by gawd failed to mention this lil' factoid.

Maybe someone did observe chickens bonking and deduced the woman must all have an "egg".

Maybe the fact that hens lay eggs even if they are not bonked confused them OR maybe that is where the idea of virgin births came from.
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Old 01-08-2015, 01:48 AM
 
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I think weather and season changes have a huge impact on us (especially our health). Chinese medicine has a lot of info on this. I actually look at the wind directions on the weather site and look at a TCM chart that tells you how that wind pattern affects you and it is very accurate. People in ancient times were much more connected to nature than we are now, and I have found that some old wives tales/beliefs I used to scoff at are actually pretty accurate.

I am not sure what signs of the seasons means in reference to the bible though.
It probably has more to do with the psychology of personality and understanding from reading the predictions and descriptions then from an actual correlation between the wind patterns in an area and personality of people in it. I would trust more double-blind controlled studies, rather than personal anecdotes. Even Darwin proposed from personal anecdotes that "use it or lose it" or what can be called now "epigenetic selection" was an actual mechanism of evolution. Yet "use it or lose it" was too simplified a concept and didn't hold up to scrutiny and the fact of random mutation and inheritance through alleles.
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Old 01-08-2015, 02:32 AM
 
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Lemme spell it out for you. Ovulation takes place, one ovum is released. Ejaculation takes place, 300 million sperm are released, only one sperm fertilises the ovum.

The ancients had no idea of the woman's contribution to the conception, in fact conception was probably not even considered, it is not like she laid an egg like a chicken. The idea was that women were incubators for the "seed of man". The only reason this was so is that ejaculate is visible to naked eye; you need a microscope to see the ovum, and they come in singles.

Religious or not, this POV held until the ovum was discovered in the 18th century. Religious texts supposedly inspired by gawd failed to mention this lil' factoid.

Maybe someone did observe chickens bonking and deduced the woman must all have an "egg".

Maybe the fact that hens lay eggs even if they are not bonked confused them OR maybe that is where the idea of virgin births came from.
Actually, people like Hippocrates had described earlier (although probably forgotten by the time of the Middle Ages) that women do contribute "semen" and without it (they thought the female lubrication was female semen) they could not get pregnant (actually it is only harder to get pregnant without female lubrication). I like your comparison to chickens. But more likely though, they didn't see chickens as related to humans unless they had good pattern-finding eyes. Thanks to the discovery of microscopic and unicellular organism, we are more clearly able to deduce the origin of species.

Today, science has more facts available and a better explanation.

The Y chromosome is a degenerate of the X chromosome, and will probably continue to degenerate with time although natural selection favors the smallest possible Y chromosome for sperm-necessity instead of complete male extinction. Different species have different mechanisms of genetic diploid reproduction, but the human version is strongly protected through natural and sexual selection. Apparently, the only parts necessary of the Y chromosome might be the SRY alleles. So that if they jump from Y to X or another gene, a NON-XY can look fully male (I'm unsure about fertility).

Also, the first thing to develop in fetuses is female-like genitalia, and in males, after some time, masculinization begins to take place. In the first weeks after haploid fusion, the embryo has no distinguishable sexual characteristics, neither anatomically nor hormonal, put only genetic sex determinants. By the third month, the external genitalia begin to differentiate, and the blank crotch becomes more invaginated or extruded, depending on the influence from hormones.
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Old 01-08-2015, 04:03 AM
 
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Actually, people like Hippocrates had described earlier (although probably forgotten by the time of the Middle Ages) that women do contribute "semen" and without it (they thought the female lubrication was female semen) they could not get pregnant (actually it is only harder to get pregnant without female lubrication). I like your comparison to chickens. But more likely though, they didn't see chickens as related to humans unless they had good pattern-finding eyes. Thanks to the discovery of microscopic and unicellular organism, we are more clearly able to deduce the origin of species.

Today, science has more facts available and a better explanation.

The Y chromosome is a degenerate of the X chromosome, and will probably continue to degenerate with time although natural selection favors the smallest possible Y chromosome for sperm-necessity instead of complete male extinction. Different species have different mechanisms of genetic diploid reproduction, but the human version is strongly protected through natural and sexual selection. Apparently, the only parts necessary of the Y chromosome might be the SRY alleles. So that if they jump from Y to X or another gene, a NON-XY can look fully male (I'm unsure about fertility).

Also, the first thing to develop in fetuses is female-like genitalia, and in males, after some time, masculinization begins to take place. In the first weeks after haploid fusion, the embryo has no distinguishable sexual characteristics, neither anatomically nor hormonal, put only genetic sex determinants. By the third month, the external genitalia begin to differentiate, and the blank crotch becomes more invaginated or extruded, depending on the influence from hormones.
Yes science has opened doors that previously were closed (hmmm where have I heard that line before??)

Was reading somewhere that they now can do fertilisation w/o sperm, ess cloning. Nonetheless, the woman still carries the burden of reproduction regardless how the fertilisation is initiated.
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Old 01-08-2015, 08:23 AM
 
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Lemme spell it out for you. Ovulation takes place, one ovum is released. Ejaculation takes place, 300 million sperm are released, only one sperm fertilises the ovum.

The ancients had no idea of the woman's contribution to the conception, in fact conception was probably not even considered, it is not like she laid an egg like a chicken. The idea was that women were incubators for the "seed of man". The only reason this was so is that ejaculate is visible to naked eye; you need a microscope to see the ovum, and they come in singles.

Religious or not, this POV held until the ovum was discovered in the 18th century. Religious texts supposedly inspired by gawd failed to mention this lil' factoid.

Maybe someone did observe chickens bonking and deduced the woman must all have an "egg".

Maybe the fact that hens lay eggs even if they are not bonked confused them OR maybe that is where the idea of virgin births came from.
You came up with your own conclusion of religion based on a set of facts you wish to cling to. Your religion is to hate religion. Sounds familiar if you get to know God. If you seek chaos then claim it.
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