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Old 01-08-2015, 11:07 AM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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Not only does Yahweh promise Abraham that Abraham will have a baby, we learn that in an unconventional manner, that baby will be born out the orifice normally resereved for scatalogical reasons.

That's even stranger than that woman lusting after those massive penises, you know, the ones larger than horses.

See for yourself. And yes, it is in context.

Abraham complains that he has not had any kids. Yahweh tells him not to worry, another miracle will happen"

KJV Genesis 15:4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.


Yikes, wouldn't that hurt?

Funny book, isn't it?
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Old 01-08-2015, 11:23 AM
 
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Not only does Yahweh promise Abraham that Abraham will have a baby, we learn that in an unconventional manner, that baby will be born out the orifice normally resereved for scatalogical reasons.

That's even stranger than that woman lusting after those massive penises, you know, the ones larger than horses.

See for yourself. And yes, it is in context.

Abraham complains that he has not had any kids. Yahweh tells him not to worry, another miracle will happen"

KJV Genesis 15:4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.


Yikes, wouldn't that hurt?

Funny book, isn't it?
You just don't understand.
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Old 01-08-2015, 11:25 AM
 
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You just don't understand.
And you can't seem to explain the inexplicable.

Or are you suggesting that maybe one should not take it literally?
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Old 01-08-2015, 11:30 AM
 
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"Bowels" or "loins" are KJV-speak for internal organs. It is not speaking literally about rectums as wombs. There was little understanding of anatomy and anything that came from inside the body was spoken of generically as "issuing from your loins" or "your bowels". In fact I looked up the etymology of "bowels" and learned that the Hebrews regarded them as the seat of tender affections but the KJV translators used the literal sense of "internal organs".
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Old 01-08-2015, 11:41 AM
 
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Not only does Yahweh promise Abraham that Abraham will have a baby, we learn that in an unconventional manner, that baby will be born out the orifice normally resereved for scatalogical reasons.

That's even stranger than that woman lusting after those massive penises, you know, the ones larger than horses.

See for yourself. And yes, it is in context.

Abraham complains that he has not had any kids. Yahweh tells him not to worry, another miracle will happen"

KJV Genesis 15:4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.


Yikes, wouldn't that hurt?

Funny book, isn't it?
Not really, I think he is talking about you.....
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Old 01-08-2015, 12:17 PM
 
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"Bowels" or "loins" are KJV-speak for internal organs. It is not speaking literally about rectums as wombs. There was little understanding of anatomy and anything that came from inside the body was spoken of generically as "issuing from your loins" or "your bowels". In fact I looked up the etymology of "bowels" and learned that the Hebrews regarded them as the seat of tender affections but the KJV translators used the literal sense of "internal organs".
The bowels were considered the seat of emotion in humans. The womb was considered the seat of tender affection, which is why the word for "mercy" comes from the word for "womb." The heart was considered the seat of intelligence. For this reason, the Septuagint in some places translates "mind" for "heart." In the New Testament, when Jesus says the first commandment is to love God with all one's heart, soul, mind, and strength, he's quoting Deuteronomy, but from the Greek translation, which adds "mind." It's not there in the Hebrew.

The word in Gen 15:4 is מֵאֶה, which just refers to internal organs generically.
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Old 01-08-2015, 12:52 PM
 
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And you can't seem to explain the inexplicable.

Or are you suggesting that maybe one should not take it literally?
loin
loin/
noun
plural noun: loins

the part of the body on both sides of the spine between the lowest (false) ribs and the hipbones.
literary
the region of the sexual organs, especially when regarded as the source of erotic or procreative power.
"he felt a stirring in his loins at the thought"
a large cut of meat that includes the vertebrae of the loins.
"loin of pork with potatoes"
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Old 01-08-2015, 01:43 PM
 
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Not only does Yahweh promise Abraham that Abraham will have a baby, we learn that in an unconventional manner, that baby will be born out the orifice normally resereved for scatalogical reasons.

That's even stranger than that woman lusting after those massive penises, you know, the ones larger than horses.

See for yourself. And yes, it is in context.

Abraham complains that he has not had any kids. Yahweh tells him not to worry, another miracle will happen"

KJV Genesis 15:4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.


Yikes, wouldn't that hurt?

Funny book, isn't it?
Maybe it had to do with the son being legal or illegitimate. So the son of the slave girl (she had sex with Abraham) was illegitimate, so not Abraham's true son, not his true heir.

But the Son which came from his own loins is meaning to say "the legitimate one". The one born through his own wife, Sarah.

The two were one, once united in marriage. So one could say: whatever came through Sarah, came through Abraham.

There was a time period when they didn't count the women, but only everything was under the male name. So whatever the woman did was counted as thought the male did it. So if Sarah gave birth, they would have listed it under Abraham's name. So they would say "Abraham begot Isaak".

And even now in our days the letters are sometimes addressed to Mr. and Mrs. Mark Smith. (No mention of a woman's name).
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Old 01-08-2015, 01:48 PM
 
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Let's accept the explanation of 'bowels'.

Now let's look at who Yahweh was talking to that this would occur.

Abraham, who was male.

Right?
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Old 01-08-2015, 02:15 PM
 
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Let's accept the explanation of 'bowels'.

Now let's look at who Yahweh was talking to that this would occur.

Abraham, who was male.

Right?
Yes, Abraham, who was thought to store semen in his internal organs, and therefore have the source of future generations in his "bowels." Just what is this fumbling and naive attempt at exegesis getting at?
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