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Old 01-27-2008, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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So all parents are like your mother?

I'm happy for you that you are doing what you want, and I don't think people should stop you from living how you seem to live (i'm assuming you are male), though I dont agree with your choices and in my belief it is a sin for someone to have sex out of marriage or with the same sex, but then so is getting drunk, or swearing, or lying, or cheating or stealing, or killing.

We should seek to overcome all our weaknesses.

godspeed,

freedom
Well like the bible says, and it appears as if you realize this, a little white lie, in the eyes of god, is as bad as a homosexual act of love. So there yah go. And as for the parent thing, I was just pointing out that it is highly speculative to try to say that most or even the majority of parents wouldn't get over it. Kinda an ambiguous argument, you know what I mean?

 
Old 01-27-2008, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Oxford, England
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You can love your children and not agree with their choices. You can love and respect people without caving to sin.
If your son or daughter is a whoremonger, or sex addict you can love them and not agree with their lifestyle. If they are selfish or meanspirited you can love them and not agree, if they are a thief or murderer, you can love them and not agree with their life choices.
Does it break your heart, well if you love them, then it does.

freedom
So if I understand you correctly you equate 2 same sex consenting adults who LOVE each other with *****-mongering, being sex addicts , being selfish or mean-spirited ?

I don't see why any parents who truly love their kids who be hurt by seeing them happy, in love, loved and in a stable relationship. That to me would be a true perversion of what parental love is supposed to be about.

I would be far happier to have a nice, decent , kind and HAPPY Gay son or Lesbian daughter than a petty, bigoted, and unhappy or self-denying child.

My only worry if my kids turned out to be Gay would be the bigotry they would have to face from some people. I would be delighted to support whatever relationship makes them happy as long as it is sincere and a loving one.

Strange as it may sound to some people, Gay people are perfectly normal human beings the same as you and me and just as deserving of respect and of the same human and legal rights.

It never ceases to amaze me how Homosexuality is such an issue to people who really should be more worried about the true social evils of our world. What is this obsession with who someone loves ?
 
Old 01-27-2008, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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So if I understand you correctly you equate 2 same sex consenting adults who LOVE each other with *****-mongering, being sex addicts , being selfish or mean-spirited ?

I don't see why any parents who truly love their kids who be hurt by seeing them happy, in love, loved and in a stable relationship. That to me would be a true perversion of what parental love is supposed to be about.

I would be far happier to have a nice, decent , kind and HAPPY Gay son or Lesbian daughter than a petty, bigoted, and unhappy or self-denying child.

My only worry if my kids turned out to be Gay would be the bigotry they would have to face from some people. I would be delighted to support whatever relationship makes them happy as long as it is sincere and a loving one.

Strange as it may sound to some people, Gay people are perfectly normal human beings the same as you and me and just as deserving of respect and of the same human and legal rights.

It never ceases to amaze me how Homosexuality is such an issue to people who really should be more worried about the true social evils of our world. What is this obsession with who someone loves ?
I agree, I would be SO worried about how other people treated my child but I would LOVE her and her partner no matter what.

Its so sad to see how people treat people because of their own arrogance. Where is the compassion?

This is what I dispair of when I look at my country. Its what makes me want to leave to find a more even handed place to raise my child. I don't want her surrounded by hate mongering, controlling, judgemental people.
 
Old 01-27-2008, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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So if I understand you correctly you equate 2 same sex consenting adults who LOVE each other with *****-mongering, being sex addicts , being selfish or mean-spirited ?

I don't see why any parents who truly love their kids who be hurt by seeing them happy, in love, loved and in a stable relationship. That to me would be a true perversion of what parental love is supposed to be about.

I would be far happier to have a nice, decent , kind and HAPPY Gay son or Lesbian daughter than a petty, bigoted, and unhappy or self-denying child.

My only worry if my kids turned out to be Gay would be the bigotry they would have to face from some people. I would be delighted to support whatever relationship makes them happy as long as it is sincere and a loving one.

Strange as it may sound to some people, Gay people are perfectly normal human beings the same as you and me and just as deserving of respect and of the same human and legal rights.

It never ceases to amaze me how Homosexuality is such an issue to people who really should be more worried about the true social evils of our world. What is this obsession with who someone loves ?
Love is not what is in question here. There are same sex people that love eachother. I love my Brothers, my Sons, my Dad, my friends they are all Male/Same Sex.
Why cloud the issue by suggesting I am against love?

freedom
 
Old 01-27-2008, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Well like the bible says, and it appears as if you realize this, a little white lie, in the eyes of god, is as bad as a homosexual act of love. So there yah go. And as for the parent thing, I was just pointing out that it is highly speculative to try to say that most or even the majority of parents wouldn't get over it. Kinda an ambiguous argument, you know what I mean?
So do we go around saying that its okay to lie, even little white ones?
Teach our children to have this weakness? Accept it in our spouses and friends?

freedom
 
Old 01-27-2008, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville,Florida
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A heterosexual man who lusts after another man's wife is as much a sin as a homosexual man lusting after another man,the thing is is that both can stave from those lustful desires and turn to God for redemption. It is about one's choice to keep from living in sin or not.
 
Old 01-27-2008, 06:15 PM
 
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Why cloud the issue by suggesting I am against love?

freedom
...because it's about love. It's about being able to love someone without other people judging you for it, or at very least, keeping their distance and not trying to vote for legislation that limits your opportunities in the U.S.
 
Old 01-27-2008, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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A heterosexual man who lusts after another man's wife is as much a sin as a homosexual man lusting after another man,the thing is is that both can stave from those lustful desires and turn to God for redemption. It is about one's choice to keep from living in sin or not.
Brilliant, simply said and so accurate.

godspeed,

freedom
 
Old 01-27-2008, 06:17 PM
 
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It's just the prejudice of primitive sheep herders that lived a long time ago that is supported by an ever smaller minority (thank goodness) of bigots that justify hatred with supersititous nonsense.
 
Old 01-27-2008, 06:18 PM
 
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So do we go around saying that its okay to lie, even little white ones?
Let's be practical. You don't teach your children to lie, but if they grow up thinking every lie in the world is sinful, it poses problems. For example, sometimes you have to lie to your boss or co-workers to keep your job. There are endless examples, but that one sticks out in my mind because I've struggled with it as long as I've been employed. Like it or not, sometimes you have to tell the higher-up people what they want to hear, even if it's something you don't necessarily agree with it. This is a reason why the blanket "never lie" kind of doctrine is impractical. This is part of why sometimes teaching black-and-white doctrine like this, out of a book such as the Bible, can make things more difficult.
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