What IS the difference between radical Islam now and radical Christianity of 300 years ago? (Harry Potter, Baptist)

[GoCardinals]

Originally Posted by LuminousTruth

Actually, both Christianity and Islam share that "interpretation" among some of their denominations.

"Some may cast out demons and heal many in my name, but if you are practitioner of inequity, I will say "Depart from me, I NEVER KNEW YOU"

And yet still a vast majority of the evangelical (conversion-focused) denominations will say that all you need to do is believe in Jesus, since their Paul writings they venerate also say that contradiction.

The same is true in Islam... many verses say the path to Heaven is made simple/easier for those who simply identify as Muslim, and harder for those who are not Muslim. Many denominations say that all believers in Abraham's fascist (and first ancestor) jealous god will "rightfully" reward believers for just believing (go straight to heaven) and if Jews, Christians, and Sabiens can go to heaven simply for being "Abrahamicly monotheist" then Muslim believers should have an even "easier" time, simply for believing. Why would God punish loyal believers who "accidentally" made "meaningless world" mistakes such as genocide?

lol haha.

Absolutely 100% wrong!

As Woodrow puts it, "Islam is an action".

Quran talks about faith in Allah supported by ACTION.

And some of these actions are
1 - Sincere worship
2 - Spending in charity,
3 - Helping those who are in need,
4 - Protecting orphans and their rights,
5 - Fasting
6 - Patience in difficulties
7 - Be thankful
8 - Save resources,
9 - Avoid associating partners with Allah,
10 -Avoid fornication and adultery,
11 - Avoid consumption of pork and Alcohol
12 - Avoid gambling
13 - Obeying your parents and help them when they are old as they helped you when you were a baby.
14 - Avoid cussing and back biting
15 - Avoid creating unrest on earth

....and many others.

And these actions are described at various occasions in Quran.

Yes, Indeed it will be easy for a Muslim who had faith and he TRIED to act on these recommendations.

Islam may not have a whole lot to offer to those who have only hot air from the mouth to waste by claiming that they are Muslims. Islam is ACTION of good deeds and avoid what's forbidden.


The accountability in Islam is for everyone, and it may not be an easy walk in the park for everyone.


Look at these two versus...

Quran: 2:214... Or you think that you will enter Paradise without such (trials) as came to those who passed away before you? They were afflicted with severe poverty and ailments and were so shaken that even the Messenger and those who believed along with him said, "When (will come) the Help of Allah?" Yes! Certainly, the Help of Allah is near!


Quran: 99:7-8 about the judgement day.

So anyone who does an atom's weight of good will see it,
And anyone who does an atom's weight of evil will see it.



Did you notice the word "anyone"?

It's not addressing Muslims but all people of all time. This includes Muslims and non-Muslims. EVERYONE will go through an accountability.


Quran gives glad tidings to those who have faith in Allah and they try to support their faith by action.

Nothing in a free platter like, "Believe in Jesus and here is your ticket to heaven".

[Vizio]

Originally Posted by cupper3

This meme came up today, and it does ask the real question. What is the true difference between the horrors that ISIS is doing today, vs the horrors that Christians perpetrated on other people who they deemed not to be worthy or religious enough, in the past centuries?

I see no difference at all, and both claim to be acting on behalf of their God. We can say that they made a mistake in the past in Europe, or North America during the witch trials, but at that point in time did the devout think that way?

For one, there is no tenet in Christianity which teaches us to kill people that disagree with us. That's a big one.

[TroutDude]

Originally Posted by Vizio

For one, there is no tenet in Christianity which teaches us to kill people that disagree with us. That's a big one.

True. (Unless, of course, Yaweh commands it.)

But it DOES teach that if you disbelieve in, or disagree with your god, you'll suffer an eternity of unquenchable pain.

Barbarism is barbarism.

[GoCardinals]

Originally Posted by TroutDude

True. (Unless, of course, Yaweh commands it.)

But it DOES teach that if you disbelieve in, or disagree with your god, you'll suffer an eternity of unquenchable pain.

Barbarism is barbarism.

And perhaps that's why God has given you INTELLIGENCE to choose a right decision.

You can be saved from Barbarism or you may NOT be saved from Barbarism. The choice is YOUR'S, not God's.


This rule of choice is pretty much evident in many other expects of life but we NEVER complaint about it.

Here is an example, your boss tells you to do a job and get paid OR don't do the job and don't get paid (which will put you in difficulty to pay your bills).

What do you do? Throw your toys out of the prom and start crying that you won't work for this boss because he threatens to not pay me or even fire me if I don't do the stuff as per his commands?


Another hint of hypocrisy that some people yield is: They talk about the possibility of God handing over a punishment for not fulling a command or doing a sinful act * BUT * the hypocrites won't talk about the REWARD and Mercy of God if one tries to obey the commands of God and tries to avoid doing sinful acts and tries to do good deeds.

The idea is, we are here, so lets deal with it.

[Vizio]

Originally Posted by TroutDude

True. (Unless, of course, Yaweh commands it.)

He has not made a covenant with Christians granting them a promised land, and giving us the right to go possess it.

But it DOES teach that if you disbelieve in, or disagree with your god, you'll suffer an eternity of unquenchable pain.

Barbarism is barbarism.

Barbarism? No. It's punishment that's deserved. Yes--the punishment for rejecting our creator is hell. We all deserve that. The good news is that Jesus died on the cross and took the punishment for our sins so that we can go to heaven if we trust him. Even you.

[DewDropInn]

Originally Posted by Vizio

It's punishment that's deserved. Yes--the punishment for rejecting our creator is hell. We all deserve that.

Balderdash.

[Vizio]

Originally Posted by DewDropInn

Balderdash.

Balderdash!

[DewDropInn]

Originally Posted by Vizio

Balderdash!

Another display of the propensity of fundamentalists to parrot back what they hear.

[Freak80]

Originally Posted by DewDropInn

Teaching kids that stuff is child abuse cloaked in religion.

Exactly right. And doing it is not only legal, it is supposedly protected under "freedom of religion."

Freedom of religion ends as soon as it negatively affects someone else. We don't allow human sacrifice or witch burnings. Why do we allow power-hungry religious leaders to frighten children with fire-and-brimstone religion? It causes real long-term psychological damage. Look at the posts by ReadytoFly in another active thread.

[DewDropInn]

Originally Posted by Freak80

Why do we allow power-hungry religious leaders to frighten children with fire-and-brimstone religion? It causes real long-term psychological damage.

It's the price we pay for having freedom of religion.

The good news is parents aren't forced, by law, to teach their children fundamentalism. Religious freedom takes many forms.