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Old 10-01-2015, 01:32 PM
 
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An Oklahoma state agency has agreed it would remove the illegal 10 commandment monument from State grounds by October 12.

A win for the separation of church and State. As the Constitution demands.

Oklahoma to remove Ten Commandments monument from Capitol by Oct. 12 - Religion News Service
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Old 10-01-2015, 01:34 PM
 
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An Oklahoma state agency has agreed it would remove the illegal 10 commandment monument from State grounds by October 12.

A win for the separation of church and State. As the Constitution demands.

Oklahoma to remove Ten Commandments monument from Capitol by Oct. 12 - Religion News Service
Except that the Constitution doesn't demand it. Nowhere in it does it say that there should be one.
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Old 10-01-2015, 01:47 PM
 
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I say leave up the 10 Commandments as long as I can put up 10 suggestions for the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Same thing. And quotes from the Koran, and Hindu prayers etc. Whoops, I think we will need more area.
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Old 10-01-2015, 01:48 PM
 
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I say leave up the 10 Commandments as long as I can put up 10 suggestions for the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Same thing. And quotes from the Koran, and Hindu prayers etc. Whoops, I think we will need more area.
Do you believe such monuments are culturally relevant?
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Old 10-01-2015, 01:55 PM
 
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Do you believe such monuments are culturally relevant?
Of course they are. You should try getting out of Podunk and and experience something new. You'll find this country is made up of people of MANY faiths and beliefs. Besides Hindu art is beautiful. A statue of a Hindu god would be educational AND pleasing to the eye.
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Old 10-01-2015, 01:55 PM
 
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Except that the Constitution doesn't demand it. Nowhere in it does it say that there should be one.
Well, actually, it does. The Supreme Court said so, and they are the final authority on what the Constitution says. Period.

But, that's really irrelevant to this case.

You didn't read the article, did you?

The monument is being removed because it violates Oklahoma's state constitution. "The Oklahoma Supreme Court in June had ordered the monument, which was erected in 2012, removed because the state constitution bans the use of state property for the benefit of a religion."
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Old 10-01-2015, 01:58 PM
 
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Except that the Constitution doesn't demand it. Nowhere in it does it say that there should be one.

As you have been told before, the final arbitrators of what the Constitution really says is SCOTUS. And they have consistently ruled how the separation is to apply since 1947.

Consistently. Both liberal and conservative courts.

Your delusion of what the Constitution says in this regard... is a delusion, as it is not reality.
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Old 10-01-2015, 02:29 PM
 
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Well, actually, it does. The Supreme Court said so, and they are the final authority on what the Constitution says. Period.
But they are not the Constitution.
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Old 10-01-2015, 02:39 PM
 
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But they are not the Constitution.
Well, duh. They are the SCOTUS. Their job is to look at what the Constitution says and decide the constitutionality of laws. Their decision then becomes law.

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Not the same. Not going to change no matter how loud the far-right fundies complain when they don't get their way. This country is based on the rule of law.... not the rules of unhappy fundamentalists.
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Old 10-01-2015, 02:42 PM
 
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The part it violates reads: “No public money or property shall ever be appropriated, applied, donated, or used, directly or indirectly, for the use, benefit, or support of any sect, church, denomination, or system of religion, or for the use, benefit, or support of any priest, preacher, minister, or other religious teacher or dignitary, or sectarian institution as such.”

As the first half of the 10 Commandments order that people worship and honour the one God how is this not part of one system of religion?

Vizio This is their state constitution the one that the judges ruled on.
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