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Old 01-29-2016, 03:16 PM
 
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God will hang out with anybody. I think that's the point. The problem as I see it is free will: if a person doesn't let a God of Love (by any name) influence them...then what can you expect from them?

Yea we have to seek God, He is at the door knocking.
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Old 01-29-2016, 03:47 PM
 
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God will hang out with anybody. I think that's the point. The problem as I see it is free will: if a person doesn't let a God of Love (by any name) influence them...then what can you expect from them?
Which god are you accusing of "love"?
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Old 01-29-2016, 03:51 PM
 
Location: USA
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Yea we have to seek God, He is at the door knocking.
You used the concept of God to threaten a forum member. You implied that your God would "get him" after he died.
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Old 01-29-2016, 04:03 PM
 
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Which god are you accusing of "love"?
That was going to be my next question.
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Old 01-29-2016, 04:26 PM
 
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If that was meant for me, I have no problems admitting I am flawed. Everyone has flaws and I am no exception. But I definitely do not go around telling people they're going to hell, it's not right.
Exactly, everyone has sinned. For someone to tell one they are going to hell is ludicrous, God is the final judgement when we die.




By the way I see Louisville, Ky. in your post(upper right-hand corner), I lived there quite a few years back in the 1960's and 70's, resided in the St. Matthews area, attended Waggener High School. How about yourself ?
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Old 01-29-2016, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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okay, then I'm a little curious, if you believe in the King James version of your sacred book then why do you need another book? No disrespect, just asking an honest question and perhaps you could explain.
To a Mormon, that question is a little bit like asking a Protestant or a Catholic the question, "If you believe John's gospel account, why do you need Matthew's? We have Mark's witness. Why the need for Luke's?"

Here is how The Book of Mormon itself answers your question:

But behold, there shall be many -- at that day when I shall proceed to do a marvelous work among them, that I may remember my covenants which I have made unto the children of men, that I may set my hand again the second time to recover my people, which are of the house of Israel; And also, that I may remember the promises which I have made unto thee, Nephi, and also unto thy father, that I would remember your seed; and that the words of your seed should proceed forth out of my mouth unto your seed; and my words shall hiss forth unto the ends of the earth, for a standard unto my people, which are of the house of Israel; And because my words shall hiss forth -- many of the Gentiles shall say: A Bible! A Bible! We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible.

But thus saith the Lord God: O fools, they shall have a Bible; and it shall proceed forth from the Jews, mine ancient covenant people. And what thank they the Jews for the Bible which they receive from them? Yea, what do the Gentiles mean? Do they remember the travails, and the labors, and the pains of the Jews, and their diligence unto me, in bringing forth salvation unto the Gentiles? O ye Gentiles, have ye remembered the Jews, mine ancient covenant people? Nay; but ye have cursed them, and have hated them, and have not sought to recover them. But behold, I will return all these things upon your own heads; for I the Lord have not forgotten my people. Thou fool, that shall say: A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible. Have ye obtained a Bible save it were by the Jews?

Know ye not that there are more nations than one? Know ye not that I, the Lord your God, have created all men, and that I remember those who are upon the isles of the sea; and that I rule in the heavens above and in the earth beneath; and I bring forth my word unto the children of men, yea, even upon all the nations of the earth? Wherefore murmur ye, because that ye shall receive more of my word? Know ye not that the testimony of two nations is a witness unto you that I am God, that I remember one nation like unto another? Wherefore, I speak the same words unto one nation like unto another. And when the two nations shall run together the testimony of the two nations shall run together also. And I do this that I may prove unto many that I am the same yesterday, today, and forever; and that I speak forth my words according to mine own pleasure.

And because that I have spoken one word ye need not suppose that I cannot speak another; for my work is not yet finished; neither shall it be until the end of man, neither from that time henceforth and forever.Wherefore, because that ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it contains all my words; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused more to be written. For I command all men, both in the east and in the west, and in the north, and in the south, and in the islands of the sea, that they shall write the words which I speak unto them; for out of the books which shall be written I will judge the world, every man according to their works, according to that which is written.
(2 Nephi 29:1-11)

We believe the Bible to be the word of God. We revere it. It has been described "foremost among the Standard Works of the Church." We do not, however, believe it is a complete record of God's dealings with mankind; furthermore, it does not claim to be.

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Old 01-31-2016, 06:27 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Maybe God needs to do a better job when screening applicants to be his mouthpieces.
Well, all protection rackets needs to employ dubious characters. The Church is no different to the Mafia...pay your dues or die.
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Old 01-31-2016, 07:04 AM
 
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Well, all protection rackets needs to employ dubious characters. The Church is no different to the Mafia...pay your dues or die.
The same can be said of Atheists too.
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Old 01-31-2016, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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The same can be said of Atheists too.
Really? I've never heard atheists threatening people with death and damnation unless they become atheists.
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Old 01-31-2016, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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The same can be said of Atheists too.
Really? Do have any examples of this?
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