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Old 03-24-2016, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA, now.
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When something can't be explained ...it is one or the other or all of the above!
(Just saw the movie with Jen Gardener 'Miracles from Heaven'...true story..and read
what a Christian said on another thread about magic...)

Magic is normal to me.
Miracles...well, they are an everyday occurrence
The Supernatural...I rely on more than this silly, unreliable 'natural' world!
Ha!

This place that y'all think is real...hard-core, solid matter is neither...hard nor matter!
What is propping it up to 'look' as if it were real ...now, THAT is what is real.
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Old 03-24-2016, 06:39 PM
 
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When something can't be explained ...it is one or the other or all of the above!
(Just saw the movie with Jen Gardener 'Miracles from Heaven'...true story..and read
what a Christian said on another thread about magic...)

Magic is normal to me.
Miracles...well, they are an everyday occurrence
The Supernatural...I rely on more than this silly, unreliable 'natural' world!
Ha!

This place that y'all think is real...hard-core, solid matter is neither...hard nor matter!
What is propping it up to 'look' as if it were real ...now, THAT is what is real.
Any evidence for all of these assertions? BTW, your special visit by your special God doesn't count since it's not demonstrable or testable.

And.. no there is no difference.
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Old 03-24-2016, 06:48 PM
 
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supernatural was an old term for unexplained. it can still mean that i guess.

Miracles are when you are well off the bell curve. If its 1/1000000000 in a year it happens 7 times this year.

"magic" is slight of hand.

There is no "outside" of the universe, even a multiverse is one universe. And nothing is "not allowed" by the laws of the universe. Now man, on the other hand, can't read yet. So to speak.
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Old 03-25-2016, 04:43 AM
 
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Supernatural are beyond the natural, which is the power of God the creator ...... Like wizards and demons work in the natural , as it is the realm of the natural as the familiar spirit tell wizard about thing and the wizard is a foretell things which the demons will do through a person ...Which is basic power , even demon have limited power to harm the flesh of man which he does as the hospital are busy places ....................................Were God is supernatural where He is Omni present , which means He is every were knowing all things , even though He will shut his ears to bad prayers and evil talking he can still hear these and recall everything for judgment ............Then God is omnipotent which means He is all powerful able to do anything ......... Like one example is people being delivered by a dark spirit which cause vibration and convulsions on the body of people , and God reaches in and grabs the unseen spirit and rips him out , where the vibrations and convolutions stop and the person appears normal ......... Then there is people who where obese , and people of God prayed and the overweight on the person disappeared and the clothes where now many time to big ..Glory to God ......Then people with large goiter on the neck and after prayer the goiter disappeared and the neck was normal .. Glory to God .............................See these are supernatural as physical Doctors could never do this which go beyond the science of chemical Doctors of health today
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Old 03-25-2016, 04:58 AM
 
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Supernatural are beyond the natural, which is the power of God the creator ...... Like wizards and demons work in the natural , as it is the realm of the natural as the familiar spirit tell wizard about thing and the wizard is a foretell things which the demons will do through a person ...Which is basic power , even demon have limited power to harm the flesh of man which he does as the hospital are busy places ....................................Were God is supernatural where He is Omni present , which means He is every were knowing all things , even though He will shut his ears to bad prayers and evil talking he can still hear these and recall everything for judgment ............Then God is omnipotent which means He is all powerful able to do anything ......... Like one example is people being delivered by a dark spirit which cause vibration and convulsions on the body of people , and God reaches in and grabs the unseen spirit and rips him out , where the vibrations and convolutions stop and the person appears normal ......... Then there is people who where obese , and people of God prayed and the overweight on the person disappeared and the clothes where now many time to big ..Glory to God ......Then people with large goiter on the neck and after prayer the goiter disappeared and the neck was normal .. Glory to God .............................See these are supernatural as physical Doctors could never do this which go beyond the science of chemical Doctors of health today
And once, in band camp, a 6 year old girl was just about to get an adult sized penis rammed into her small body and god appeared and said "don't do that". Glory to God .............................
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Old 03-25-2016, 05:12 AM
 
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When something can't be explained ...it is one or the other or all of the above!
(Just saw the movie with Jen Gardener 'Miracles from Heaven'...true story..and read
what a Christian said on another thread about magic...)

Magic is normal to me.
Miracles...well, they are an everyday occurrence
The Supernatural...I rely on more than this silly, unreliable 'natural' world!
Ha!

This place that y'all think is real...hard-core, solid matter is neither...hard nor matter!
What is propping it up to 'look' as if it were real ...now, THAT is what is real.

I am sure there is a natural explanation for everything even if science has yet to discover it. I don't think magic, miracles or the supernatural are credible explanations.
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Old 03-25-2016, 05:46 AM
 
Location: USA
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When something can't be explained ...it is one or the other or all of the above!
(Just saw the movie with Jen Gardener 'Miracles from Heaven'...true story..and read
what a Christian said on another thread about magic...)

Magic is normal to me.
Miracles...well, they are an everyday occurrence
The Supernatural...I rely on more than this silly, unreliable 'natural' world!
Ha!

This place that y'all think is real...hard-core, solid matter is neither...hard nor matter!
What is propping it up to 'look' as if it were real ...now, THAT is what is real.

Matter is real, and it really can be hard, at least by our definition of that which is hard. "Matter" and "hard" are just words and words have definitions you see. Matter describes a particular state of energy, and hard describes a particular state OF that energy in relationship to both our senses, and our definition of "matter" and "hard." The fact that matter is mostly empty space does not change the definition of matter or hard. Or the definition of that which is "real." We consider things which can be observed to have consistent physical properties to be "real."

Magic and miracles are the claimed violation of the observed properties of real. Since they cannot actually be observed to occur, they are of a state which we refer to as that which can be imagined, but does not conform to the physical properties we consider to be real.

Phenomenon such as lightning, thunder, earthquakes, etc., were once considered to be supernatural in nature. We have since discovered however that they are the natural product of energy interacting with itself. According to our best observation, things which happen do so for natural reasons according to the principles of quantum mechanics. Again, no actual magic or miracles are observed to occur at all.

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Old 03-25-2016, 08:43 AM
 
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When something can't be explained ...it is one or the other or all of the above!
(Just saw the movie with Jen Gardener 'Miracles from Heaven'...true story..and read
what a Christian said on another thread about magic...)

Magic is normal to me.
Miracles...well, they are an everyday occurrence
The Supernatural...I rely on more than this silly, unreliable 'natural' world!
Ha!

This place that y'all think is real...hard-core, solid matter is neither...hard nor matter!
What is propping it up to 'look' as if it were real ...now, THAT is what is real.


For me as a Pagan, Magick is communication between nature & man nothing else. And as a Pagan I myself believe in the natural not the supernatural. I've never seen a real miracle before I'm betting no one else has either, no one gets healed or walks again that's life & it can suck at times but that's the reality of it.
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Old 03-28-2016, 10:43 AM
 
Location: USA
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"The supernatural is the natural which is not yet understood."

Bad but pervasive logic: We don't understand X, therefore it's God/magic/supernatural.
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Old 03-28-2016, 12:07 PM
 
Location: The #1 sunshine state, Arizona.
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"The supernatural is the natural which is not yet understood."

Bad but pervasive logic: We don't understand X, therefore it's God/magic/supernatural.
This is why ancient superstitions continue to be believed by certain groups.
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