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I agree with the ruling. United States law is very much bases on Anglo Law which is more black-and-white law. Anglo Law doesn't like grey areas.
Who is to say what religion actually is? Who's to say what beliefs are legit and what beliefs were made up seconds ago?
Redhead could walk into my cake shop and I could say my religion believes redheads are devil people. Sorry, take your business elsewhere. It's not about hating Christians. Only Christians believe that because some can't fathom beyond their own reasoning and very particular case.
We are a free society, but a completely free one turns out to have severe limitations. Like in the late 1800s; while we pride ourselves on our capitalist society, turns out a run-away-train, completely capitalist one isn't so great after all.
The ultimate goal of Anglo Law is to maintain societal peace. NOT red-tape "well this group doesn't do business with this group, this group hates this group, I can get coffee at Starbucks but no Dunkin Donut, etc." It's all superficial until you show up at the doctor and they turn you away.
Christians
Plus, this ruling is not "anti-Christian" because there are plenty of Christian churches in my Denver area that have no issue with gay people, and will marry them and accept them into their churches as they are.
Some people blame Fundamentalists for so many things when it isn't at all true. My parents were Fundamentalists and were the most liberal liberals anyone could possibly want. They weren't alone, either.
It's not "anti-Christian," there ARE other religions besides Christianity...I feel it's very telling that some Christians seem to think that any time religion is involved, it must be theirs...because apparently theirs is the only one...or at least, the only one that counts.
Nope, this protects everyone of every religion, or of no religion at all.
First, not all Christians are discriminatory toward gay people. Second, maybe if Christian extremists would learn to respect gay people and the Law, this wouldn't have ended up in court.
Respect the Law? It's not even a Law in Texas. It's a new law, and the intolerant left tells them hey change your way immediately or lose your career. That's pretty cold hearted.
In business, I do not have the choice to discriminate. I am in business to serve every customer. I make cake, cookies, and brownies. You come to me, because I have a specialty. I have no reason to turn you away. I want your business, and you want my cake. It is simple.
It has.
In the past, I would occasionally have "Ladies Night". Male dancers perfoming for a female audience.
The typical male has no issue with women attending the show and watching the female performers with them...but the females had severe reservations about men there while they interacted with the male strippers.
SO...on those nights I admitted females ONLY. Just like the "CURVES" fitness center that used to be next door didn't EVER admit men.
I've been turned away or told to leave so many places, I have lost count...all because of "what I am" (the "porn guy")...I just leave and go elsewhere. I fully understand that some are offended by a person like me...it doesn't bother me a bit. I would never file a lawsuit...that's for chumps and whiney crybabies
Rarely is it a situation of getting a product from a place, or not getting it at all. There is typically another place one could go. So, I just go elsewhere.
Being in the "nightclub" industry, I am very familiar how it can work out just fine.
Rather that forcing the acceptance of their attendance at clubs where people took exception...the homosexual community created their own places...thus, "gay bars/clubs" came to be. All good! And the funny thing...once they had proprietary places...each accepted the occasional trip between the two. This is because nobody was then forcing anyone else...and everyone was on a even playing field.
This shows how it CAN work out...but only if people are reasonable.
Oh, yes...because judges ruled a certain way in some case necessarily determines what is "right", what is "fair", and what is "just".
Some of the worst "unfairness" ever has come from judges and courts.
These are just part of the very, very long list of unfair decisions.
You're suggesting that customers do not have a right to shop where they please? How would it work, then? A bakery opens up and the government draws up its boundaries. If you live within the boundaries, you must buy cakes from the bakery. Perhaps you will be federally mandated to purchase a certain number of cakes per year. If you fail to do so, what then? Jail? A fine?
It has.
In the past, I would occasionally have "Ladies Night". Male dancers perfoming for a female audience.
The typical male has no issue with women attending the show and watching the female performers with them...but the females had severe reservations about men there while they interacted with the male strippers.
SO...on those nights I admitted females ONLY. Just like the "CURVES" fitness center that used to be next door didn't EVER admit men.
I've been turned away or told to leave so many places, I have lost count...all because of "what I am" (the "porn guy")...I just leave and go elsewhere. I fully understand that some are offended by a person like me...it doesn't bother me a bit. I would never file a lawsuit...that's for chumps and whiney crybabies
Rarely is it a situation of getting a product from a place, or not getting it at all. There is typically another place one could go. So, I just go elsewhere.
Being in the "nightclub" industry, I am very familiar how it can work out just fine.
Rather that forcing the acceptance of their attendance at clubs where people took exception...the homosexual community created their own places...thus, "gay bars/clubs" came to be. All good! And the funny thing...once they had proprietary places...each accepted the occasional trip between the two. This is because nobody was then forcing anyone else...and everyone was on a even playing field.
This shows how it CAN work out...but only if people are reasonable.
Awww. Vizini from Guilder. C'mere big fella for a great big hug. I guarantee that your chosen profession would never be part of the sale for your wedding cake. I would not reject you from my table either.
You're suggesting that customers do not have a right to shop where they please? How would it work, then? A bakery opens up and the government draws up its boundaries. If you live within the boundaries, you must buy cakes from the bakery. Perhaps you will be federally mandated to purchase a certain number of cakes per year. If you fail to do so, what then? Jail? A fine?
No. I'm not suggesting they don't...they do.
But simply because Buyers in a "free enterprise system" necessarily have a completely free choice (for any reason whatsoever) of who they will or will not transact business with...the only "fair and equal" way is to allow the Sellers the same completely free choice.
Do we want it "equal", or not?
It isn't always homo & hetero, black & white, male & female, Muslim and Jew...but there is ALWAYS Buyer & Seller. It is between the Buyers and Sellers, in general, that there needs to be equity and fairness.
The Seller should not be legally forced to act toward the Buyer any way the Buyer is legally permitted to act otherwise to the Seller.
Awww. Vizini from Guilder. C'mere big fella for a great big hug. I guarantee that your chosen profession would never be part of the sale for your wedding cake. I would not reject you from my table either.
Ya know...my business serves the "wedding industry" too...all the time!
It has hosted thousands of "Bachelor Parties".
It isn't always homo & hetero, black & white, male & female, Muslim and Jew...but there is ALWAYS Buyer & Seller. It is between the Buyers and Sellers, in general, that there needs to be equity and fairness. The Seller should not be legally forced to act toward the Buyer any way the Buyer is legally permitted to act otherwise to the Seller.
Ah, Gldn. You cannot ignore history and all the evils such so-called "equity and fairness" produced in extreme inequity and unfairness because humans can be bigoted. Sorry, friend, you are wrong about this one. The public is the public and any business serving the public cannot unfairly discriminate against "categories" of people. Individuals and their specific behaviors, etc. can be legitimate grounds for refusal to serve, but NOT category or group.
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