Huge Scandal Developing Involving An Atheist Leader
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Every atheist I've known is too independent to need a leader.
Correct. We do of course have some prominent spokespersons. They seem to reason well, have knowledge and make some good suggestions. But they are hardly Leaders in the sense of telling us what we must do. They may do so (I do myself, and I'm no leader) but it is making suggestions. We are not obliged to go along with it if we don't agree. We are....
Correct. We do of course have some prominent spokespersons. They seem to reason well, have knowledge and make some good suggestions. But they are hardly Leaders in the sense of telling us what we must do. They may do so (I do myself, and I'm no leader) but it is making suggestions. We are not obliged to go along with it if we don't agree. We are....
I've been pretty harsh, and in my opinion, rightfully so, on the many recent transgressions involving Christian leaders.
Atheist's are not immune from those transgressions. This issue has not yet hit the news, and perhaps may not. Regardless, the same disdain and disgust I feel for those who are at fault as Christians, Muslims or any other religious sect, I feel the same disdain and disgust when a leader, one who was well recognized by the atheist community as such, is at fault.
Now, none of the issues have been proven in court... yet. However, there is significant documentation whereby those reading it can draw their own conclusions.
The person involved at the center of all this is Sarah Morehead. She was once a fundamentalist Southern Baptist, who became an atheist. She was the Executive Director of the Recovering from Religion organization, and later for Apostacon.
Rather then repeat the long documentation that certainly at the very least brings into question of how much money is missing, and what manipulations were involved, I will link to this page on Patheos instead.
In summary, there are numerous unexplained actions that involve potentially over $50,000 dollars in funds that are unaccounted for, plus further questionable debit and credit card charges. All the documentation is in the link, as well as these two which provide additional information. Here is a statement on the website of Apostacon with regards to the matter:
And a direct link (also in the above statement) of unidentified bank transactions over and above the missing funds. A significant number are for Amazon.com purchases.
To top it all off, and whether it played a part in this or not, her husband was arrested an is being held in custody for sexually abusing children. Links detailing this are here:
When news came out that her husband was arrested, the atheist communithy came together, and raised over $23,000 to help Sarah and her family out from the loss of income.
One wonders how much would have been raised if the details of the apparent defalcations were known at the time. One thing is for certain, one needs to feel very, very sorry for the children, who may well end up with both parents in jail.
The atheist community is not immune from scandal, and when it occurs, we should be as upfront in discussing it as we are when Christians go off the rails.
The difference is, I doubt any atheist is going to make excuses for the transgressor. Nor should they.
Yes, we know, everything is only an allegation at this point, but the documentaion speaks for itself. Draw your own conclusions.
I keep telling you copper. this abuse angle is stupid because family members do worse. Liberal people's law put people in far more danger than any religion on the east coast.
But I get it. I hate when facts get in the way of my opinions too.
I've been pretty harsh, and in my opinion, rightfully so, on the many recent transgressions involving Christian leaders.
Atheist's are not immune from those transgressions. This issue has not yet hit the news, and perhaps may not. Regardless, the same disdain and disgust I feel for those who are at fault as Christians, Muslims or any other religious sect, I feel the same disdain and disgust when a leader, one who was well recognized by the atheist community as such, is at fault.
Now, none of the issues have been proven in court... yet. However, there is significant documentation whereby those reading it can draw their own conclusions.
The person involved at the center of all this is Sarah Morehead. She was once a fundamentalist Southern Baptist, who became an atheist. She was the Executive Director of the Recovering from Religion organization, and later for Apostacon.
Rather then repeat the long documentation that certainly at the very least brings into question of how much money is missing, and what manipulations were involved, I will link to this page on Patheos instead.
In summary, there are numerous unexplained actions that involve potentially over $50,000 dollars in funds that are unaccounted for, plus further questionable debit and credit card charges. All the documentation is in the link, as well as these two which provide additional information. Here is a statement on the website of Apostacon with regards to the matter:
And a direct link (also in the above statement) of unidentified bank transactions over and above the missing funds. A significant number are for Amazon.com purchases.
To top it all off, and whether it played a part in this or not, her husband was arrested an is being held in custody for sexually abusing children. Links detailing this are here:
When news came out that her husband was arrested, the atheist communithy came together, and raised over $23,000 to help Sarah and her family out from the loss of income.
One wonders how much would have been raised if the details of the apparent defalcations were known at the time. One thing is for certain, one needs to feel very, very sorry for the children, who may well end up with both parents in jail.
The atheist community is not immune from scandal, and when it occurs, we should be as upfront in discussing it as we are when Christians go off the rails.
The difference is, I doubt any atheist is going to make excuses for the transgressor. Nor should they.
Yes, we know, everything is only an allegation at this point, but the documentaion speaks for itself. Draw your own conclusions.
I know it may come as a shock to you but as another poster said, there is no such thing as an "atheist community". Atheists are individuals. Regarding your revelation: if that woman is guilty of fraud, she will be accused and stand trial, like anyone else. She doesn't speak for, or represent "atheists". Maybe she is part of a community, but that's something else.
Again, atheists aren't a community and there isn't anything that connects them, except disbelieve in God and supernatural. Disbelief is not a connection between people.
This was all caused by her Atheism Religion beliefs influencing her.
Just as all the bad stuff the Mainstream Religious do are caused by their various Religious beliefs.
They all make excuses otherwise...but that's just bogus.
Call Vlad...he will handle it.
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Originally Posted by TRANSPONDER
Gldie, your Prayers have finally been answered. You have a whole new stick to beat atheism with.
I know! Awesome, huh?
I hope you didn't feel neglected having to share billing with the Mainstream Religions.
I couldn't resist the opportunity to put a couple strokes their way.
AND...what about the "Vlad" reference?! Tell me you didn't at least crack a smile from that!
I know! Awesome, huh?
I hope you didn't feel neglected having to share billing with the Mainstream Religions.
I couldn't resist the opportunity to put a couple strokes their way.
AND...what about the "Vlad" reference?! Tell me you didn't at least crack a smile from that!
Sorry..what?
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Originally Posted by oberon_1
I know it may come as a shock to you but as another poster said, there is no such thing as an "atheist community". Atheists are individuals. Regarding your revelation: if that woman is guilty of fraud, she will be accused and stand trial, like anyone else. She doesn't speak for, or represent "atheists". Maybe she is part of a community, but that's something else.
Again, atheists aren't a community and there isn't anything that connects them, except disbelieve in God and supernatural. Disbelief is not a connection between people.
That's the major problem. How do you herd cats? Well, the Organizations do exist but the point is not recruitment and collecting funds. It is education and discussion. And individuals putting in time like this is a good way, though Big Names do get a lot wider publicity.
There are sports communities, camping communities, hunting communities, etc. Yes there are communities devoted to collecting money from Atheists who are brought into groups to talk about the goodness of Atheism and talk a bit about the evils of religion too. Why do people not throughly vet their leaders? I don't know, they are probably too lazy. It so important for people to understand that someone in power will have a huge incentive for god-like selfishness and corruption.
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