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Old 04-29-2016, 09:03 PM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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So is it reasonably and logically correct to conclude that entire universe and whatever is in it, came together by chance?
We don't know how it came about, but are getting closer in finding out every year.

"goddunnit" is not the fallback position.
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Old 04-29-2016, 09:14 PM
 
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We don't know how it came about, but are getting closer in finding out every year.

"goddunnit" is not the fallback position.
When you admit that "you don't know" then it opens up many possibilities - including "God created it".

Unless you say, "We don't know if the universe and everything in it came together by chance or not, * BUT * we DO know that God did not create it". Is that what you are saying?
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Old 04-29-2016, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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So is it reasonably and logically correct to conclude that entire universe and whatever is in it, came together by chance?
Seems more reasonable than some omni-guy who materialized out of nothing, at no time, nowhere, and decided to create a universe because - well, you know - because he could.

If you think that's more plausible...I won't try to stop you.
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Old 04-29-2016, 10:03 PM
 
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Seems more reasonable than some omni-guy who materialized out of nothing, at no time, nowhere, and decided to create a universe because - well, you know - because he could.

If you think that's more plausible...I won't try to stop you.
500 years ago, if you had told someone that man could land on the moon AND THIS IS PLAUSIBLE ... what do you think he would've answered you?
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Old 04-29-2016, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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500 years ago, if you had told someone that man could land on the moon AND THIS IS PLAUSIBLE ... what do you think he would've answered you?
Depends on who you asked.

If it was Shakespeare, or Newton, I think they would have said, "Fer sure, Dude."

In the dialect of the time.
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Old 04-29-2016, 10:14 PM
 
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Depends on who you asked.

If it was Shakespeare, or Newton, I think they would have said, "Fer sure, Dude."

In the dialect of the time.
DaVinci would probably have been pretty open to this possibility too.
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Old 04-29-2016, 10:34 PM
 
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Depends on who you asked.

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A common man, like yourself.
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Old 04-29-2016, 10:41 PM
 
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A common man, like yourself.
Five centuries ago the common person would have been MORE likely to believe, with absolutely no supporting evidence whatsoever, what they thought of as bizarre. I mean these people believed you could give a child a birth defect by looking at a lame cow, that thinking about sex with your neighbor could give you the plague, strike you blind or cripple you and that witches flew around naked with Satan in the skies at night.
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Old 04-29-2016, 11:02 PM
 
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Five centuries ago the common person would have been MORE likely to believe, with absolutely no supporting evidence whatsoever, what they thought of as bizarre. I mean these people believed you could give a child a birth defect by looking at a lame cow, that thinking about sex with your neighbor could give you the plague, strike you blind or cripple you and that witches flew around naked with Satan in the skies at night.
well, then they were more intelligent then you are, since what they would have believed (man landing on the moon) actually turned out to be true after 500 years, no?
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Old 04-29-2016, 11:13 PM
 
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well, then they were more intelligent then you are, since what they would have believed (man landing on the moon) actually turned out to be true after 500 years, no?
More intelligent? No. More superstitious, yes. That's why religion worked so much better in those days.

With science, I believe in a world of possibilities, by the way. We learn more and more, we know more and more, we create more and more and it is amazing and wonderful.

But what if I am more stupid than a serf? What does that have to do with religion for the purposes of this discussion? I'm not sure I understand the point. But sure, I may he less intelligent than some random person from the middle ages, if that's what you're curious about. (Shrug) My intelligence level doesn't change fact from being fact nor mythology from being mythology, I'm afraid.
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