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Old 05-06-2016, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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Christianity teaches a lot of things. For example, remember the Sabbath Day, thou shall not covet, honor your father and mother. By GoCardinal's logic, anyone who breaks any of these commandments is not really a believer. So if you skip church on Sunday, or find yourself to be jealous of someone else, or are rude to your parents, it means you're an atheist.


He also says that someone who kills innocent people is an atheist. I don't know why that is limited to Islamic terrorists, but I guess since many innocent Japanese died at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, therefore Harry Truman was an atheist.


My point is, his logic is lacking.
Just so you're aware of the context, GoCardinal is Muslim. But his fundamentalist ideology is quite similar to that found in Christianity.
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Old 05-07-2016, 12:04 PM
 
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There are as many different beliefs in god as there are believers.
There are as many different beliefs in god as there are [lifestyles].
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Old 05-07-2016, 12:47 PM
 
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This is my personal opinion.

Whether Atheists or Believers, we know that no religion tells it's followers to prey on kids - and no religion tells it's followers to take the life of innocent people; however, we see that we have some Church Pastors out there that are convicted of Pedophilia, and we see that some "supposedly followers and representers of Islam" have brutally taken the life of innocent people.


So here is the logic - A pastor who believes in God and he believes in God's word in the Bible, then he is very less likely to prey on kids BECAUSE he is a true believer in God. YET we see that some Pastors have preyed on kids. Why?

There is only and only one logical explanation - This pedophile pastor is NOT an actual believer in God - He has NO Faith in God - He has NO faith in God's word - He has NO concern of God's Justice - he has no regard and respect of God - he does NOT believe in God - WHICH MAKES HIM a 100% Atheist deep in his heart - no matter how big of Pastor he is - he is an Atheist in my opinion.


Same goes with terrorists - A "Muslim" who believes in God and his word and his justice, then he is very less likely to take the lives of innocent people. YET we see that some supposedly self proclaimed Muslims have taken the lives of thousands of innocent people, including women and kids. Why? Because you think they misinterpret Quranic verses?
No sir, Quranic versus have been interpreted in thorough detail by many, many certified scholars of Islam 100's of years ago - and NONE of the interpretations tell the followers of Islam to start blowing themselves up in Public and/or take the life of innocent people to earn 70 virgins in heaven.

The moral and ethical guide for daily living in the light of Quran has been documented 100's of years ago by many Islamic scholars. And Muslims only need to follow it.

There is absolutely no need to reinvent the wheel - and whoever this, and he wrongly interprets Quranic versus to push his own personal agenda of killing innocent people, then he has absolutely no faith in God.

So there is ONLY and ONLY one possibility - this supposedly self proclaimed Muslim is not a believer in God - He has NO faith in God - He has no believe in God's word in Quran, He has NO concern of God's justice - he does NOT believe in God - WHICH MAKES HIM a 100% Atheist deep in his heart - no matter how long of a beard he has, and no matter how loudly he can shout "Allah Akbar". He is an Atheist, IMO.


Now, does that mean ALL Atheists are rapist and terrorists and criminals ? Absolutely not! But those who CLAIM to believe in God but go AGAINST God by killing the innocent and raping, are actually not the true believers of God.
I won't speak for Islam on this because I'm simply not qualified to, but I know enough about Christianity to fight you on this. If acting against what God makes you a non-believed, this basically discredits the whole point of Christianity, doesn't it? I mean, what is Christianity? Jesus was a radical, apocalyptic preacher who basically said all humans are flawed and sinful and need strong faith to protect their immortal souls when the end does inevitably come. The 'humans are flawed' party is pretty critical.

There's a passage where Jesus says NOT to pray like the hypocrites who do so publicly (Mathew 6:5). If Jesus is God, then God does not want you to be a hypocrite. Yet the hypocrites in the passage aren't having their faith in God questioned. They're just not doing what they're supposed to.
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Old 05-08-2016, 04:36 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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There are as many different beliefs in god as there are [lifestyles].
I sometimes think that there are as many different beliefs in God as there are believers. You can see them on Christianity, bashing their heads together.
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Old 05-08-2016, 12:54 PM
 
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What a convenient way to try to disavow the damage religion does, particularly yours, GoCardinals.
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Old 05-09-2016, 05:13 AM
 
Location: On the brink of WWIII
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This is my personal opinion.

Whether Atheists or Believers, we know that no religion tells it's followers to prey on kids - and no religion tells it's followers to take the life of innocent people; however, we see that we have some Church Pastors out there that are convicted of Pedophilia, and we see that some "supposedly followers and representers of Islam" have brutally taken the life of innocent people.


So here is the logic - A pastor who believes in God and he believes in God's word in the Bible, then he is very less likely to prey on kids BECAUSE he is a true believer in God. YET we see that some Pastors have preyed on kids. Why?

There is only and only one logical explanation - This pedophile pastor is NOT an actual believer in God - He has NO Faith in God - He has NO faith in God's word - He has NO concern of God's Justice - he has no regard and respect of God - he does NOT believe in God - WHICH MAKES HIM a 100% Atheist deep in his heart - no matter how big of Pastor he is - he is an Atheist in my opinion.


Same goes with terrorists - A "Muslim" who believes in God and his word and his justice, then he is very less likely to take the lives of innocent people. YET we see that some supposedly self proclaimed Muslims have taken the lives of thousands of innocent people, including women and kids. Why? Because you think they misinterpret Quranic verses?
No sir, Quranic versus have been interpreted in thorough detail by many, many certified scholars of Islam 100's of years ago - and NONE of the interpretations tell the followers of Islam to start blowing themselves up in Public and/or take the life of innocent people to earn 70 virgins in heaven.

The moral and ethical guide for daily living in the light of Quran has been documented 100's of years ago by many Islamic scholars. And Muslims only need to follow it.

There is absolutely no need to reinvent the wheel - and whoever this, and he wrongly interprets Quranic versus to push his own personal agenda of killing innocent people, then he has absolutely no faith in God.

So there is ONLY and ONLY one possibility - this supposedly self proclaimed Muslim is not a believer in God - He has NO faith in God - He has no believe in God's word in Quran, He has NO concern of God's justice - he does NOT believe in God - WHICH MAKES HIM a 100% Atheist deep in his heart - no matter how long of a beard he has, and no matter how loudly he can shout "Allah Akbar". He is an Atheist, IMO.


Now, does that mean ALL Atheists are rapist and terrorists and criminals ? Absolutely not! But those who CLAIM to believe in God but go AGAINST God by killing the innocent and raping, are actually not the true believers of God.


And no GOD or RELIGION would ever TARGET children for death either..

Is not EVERY child INNOCENT?


NUMBERS 31:17-18 God commanded Moses to kill all of the male Midianite children and "kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man." The virgins were presumably raped. (NOTE: How could the soldiers know which women were virgins?)
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Old 05-09-2016, 06:47 AM
 
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I'll take this one step further. All Christians who don't believe the Bible literally are atheist. Kinda believe in evolution - atheist. Think women are equal to men - atheist. Question whether the story of Noah can possibly be literally true - atheist. Either believe the Bible exactly as written or accept that you are atheist.
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Old 05-09-2016, 08:53 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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I'll take this one step further. All Christians who don't believe the Bible literally are atheist. Kinda believe in evolution - atheist. Think women are equal to men - atheist. Question whether the story of Noah can possibly be literally true - atheist. Either believe the Bible exactly as written or accept that you are atheist.


So, you think the Earth is roughly 6000 years old, then? Isn't that what the math works out to if you take the Bible as literal truth in all situations?
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Old 05-09-2016, 09:11 AM
 
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So, you think the Earth is roughly 6000 years old, then? Isn't that what the math works out to if you take the Bible as literal truth in all situations?
It's actually 6500 years, atheist.
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Old 05-09-2016, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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I'll take this one step further. All Christians who don't believe the Bible literally are atheist. Kinda believe in evolution - atheist. Think women are equal to men - atheist. Question whether the story of Noah can possibly be literally true - atheist. Either believe the Bible exactly as written or accept that you are atheist.
Funny.
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