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Originally Posted by Snowball7
again, not addressing the point, cupper3.. I'm not going to
repeat myself, I already have 3 times in this thread.
You know I'm right in what I've said here.
I'm sorry you feel that way, but there is no more indications that Yahweh (your god) is any more real than all those other gods people have held in esteem and worshiped over the course of human history. Referring to the bible is a circular reference.
Show me historical records, heck, even geological ones, that indicate a massive earthquake happened around the year 33 CE. Show me any records that zombies walked around Jerusalem, "seen by many", which one would think were some people who actually might be able to write it down and record it. Like Romans. Or Greeks.
I am well aware of the debunked (by the author of the study) Discovery channel story about a 1st century earthquake by Jefferson B. Williamsa*, Markus J. Schwabb & A. Brauerb.
Here is some of what that says, from the abstract:
Plausible candidates include the earthquake reported in the Gospel of Matthew, an earthquake that occurred sometime before or after the crucifixion and was in effect ‘borrowed’ by the author of the Gospel of Matthew, and a local earthquake between 26 and 36 AD that was sufficiently energetic to deform the sediments at Ein Gedi but not energetic enough to produce a still extant and extra-biblical historical record. If the last possibility is true, this would mean that the report of an earthquake in the Gospel of Matthew is a type of allegory.
Allegory and not sufficient enough for anyone to really notice it. In the abstract. Fact, not fiction or wishing or faith.
So, give us some real proof that those events occurred. If you can't, outside of your bible, then it is at best allegorical and metaphorical discussion about one of the many messianic cults that existed at the time.
cupper, stop changing the subject.
obviously you agree with what I said concerning
what is proper to say to children, but it upsets
your atheist bonafides.
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Originally Posted by Snowball7
cupper, stop changing the subject.
obviously you agree with what I said concerning
what is proper to say to children, but it upsets
your atheist bonafides.
I have no idea where you possibly get the idea I agree with you on how to discuss the issue of gods and other imaginary entities that require faith, but no proof, to conceive.
Let me be clear, NO child should be told that any god is real, ever. They should be encouraged that if they have an interest, into investigating it later in life, when they can understand the issues at hand.
A 5 year old, like in the story, has no concept of reality versus fairy tale, and only a responsible parent will not promulgate any fairy tales. Including religion.
Just as happy and worthwhile childhood as my atheist children and grandchildren. We recognize there is only one life, and have everything to LIVE for, whereas you have nothing to live for but everything to DIE for.
In the end, we will all be wormfood.
Isn't it just lovely to deprive a child of the magic of Santa Claus, and the solace that comes from prayer, and to tell them that nothing matters, since we are only born to be worm food? Gosh, I wish I were an atheist.
I have no idea where you possibly get the idea I agree with you on how to discuss the issue of gods and other imaginary entities that require faith, but no proof, to conceive.
Let me be clear, NO child should be told that any god is real, ever. They should be encouraged that if they have an interest, into investigating it later in life, when they can understand the issues at hand.
A 5 year old, like in the story, has no concept of reality versus fairy tale, and only a responsible parent will not promulgate any fairy tales. Including religion.
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Originally Posted by gentlearts
Isn't it just lovely to deprive a child of the magic of Santa Claus, and the solace that comes from prayer, and to tell them that nothing matters, since we are only born to be worm food? Gosh, I wish I were an atheist.
Well, I can say as a life long atheist - I'm not baptized - I thoroughly enjoyed the celebrations around the winter solstice, the one we in the west call Christmas. So did my children. Family, decorations, gifts, food, celebration. What's to miss?
Yeah, you and I both will be wormfood when we die. Reality. Which makes it so much more important to live your live fully, embrace live, and leave some legacy of the truth to your children and grandchildren. Make the world a better place in some small or big thing. I know I have.
Isn't it just lovely to deprive a child of the magic of Santa Claus, and the solace that comes from prayer, and to tell them that nothing matters, since we are only born to be worm food? Gosh, I wish I were an atheist.
Umm.... actually, there is no deprivation in not bull****ting young kids about Santa Claus. My kids never heard about 'Father Christmas' or 'Santa Claus' and I can assure you, they were very happy young kids. We had no Christian Christmas stuff at home. Sure, we had a tree with decorations and stuff like.
When they were introduced to 'Father Christmas' (a bit older) it was obvious that he was some sort of fun joke thing.
Not giving kids candy is also not 'depriving them' of anything.
Actually, you should try being an Atheist - it's a lot more fun and level headed than you might imagine. Sundays are also a lot more fun and productive.
But I don't want to become wormfood! I want to feed a tree that grows large and lives long. Seriously. But that won't won't happen, they'll burn me to ashes - what a waste. Oh well.
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