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That is so special, Church Lady, Moderator cut: Orphaned
Please explain how my stance is FOS , Einstein . Have you got anything besides mindless ranting? Even if you disagree with the concept of churches reaching out to those in their neighborhoods this wouldn't make me FOS on that point . Just that you disagree for some ignorant reason . Back your post up or be shown to be nothing but an idjit running off at the mouth .
Do you have the courage to point out where I am FOS and why, or will you turn coward and run ?
That is so special, Church Lady, Moderator cut: Orphaned
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Please explain how my stance is FOS , big mouth . Have you got anything besides mindless ranting? Back your post up or be shown to be nothing but a idjit running off at the mouth .
Do you have the courage to point out where I am FOS and why, or will you turn coward and run ?
Enough, both of you. This was a perfectly civil thread until the two of you went at it hammer-and-tongs. As far as I'm concerned, the number of personal attacks in the last three or four posts has destroyed both of your cases.
I'm of the opinion that this thread should be closed; we've obviously moved beyond the original subject at this point, and mouthing off and insulting each other isn't going to bring the thread back on track.
Enough, both of you. This was a perfectly civil thread until the two of you went at it hammer-and-tongs. As far as I'm concerned, the number of personal attacks in the last three or four posts has destroyed both of your cases.
I'm of the opinion that this thread should be closed; we've obviously moved beyond the original subject at this point, and mouthing off and insulting each other isn't going to bring the thread back on track.
You are correct , this was a civil thread and it's been ruined . But not by me giving an example of a church deciding not to reach out to the community around them, but by the person implying that doing so was evil and nefarious . Save your wrath for the actual culprit .
I'm still interested in seeing some hard data about just how the distribution of those donations reflects the donor's religion. Are the donations mostly by Christians, as Jeff's post implies, or does it simply reflect that there's more disposable income in those areas of the US, regardless of faith?
Well now, this is interesting, but not surprising to me at all. This graph clearly shows that God's people are the most charitable in America. You go up north where religion and faith are shrinking, and the giving is near 0%.
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The Chronicle of Philanthropy used the charitable donations reported in 2012 to the IRS to rank the 50 largest U.S.
So donations to one's church is counted as charitable giving. It is not surprising to me, either. I would certainly expect church members to donate more to churches than would non-church members.
And my government carves up my paycheck so I can not only pay for such things but pay for plenty of people who game the system and essentially live off the government. The vast majority of our national debt are entitlement programs. That's not charitable giving. And colleges are hardly affordable. Many people are drowning in debt from student loans. Government makes you work through red tape to get help in time of disasters. Churches offer it freely without hesitation. A massive coordination of churches and pastors took place to help Katrina victims. Churches as far north as Oklahoma became shelters for the displaced.
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You said: " The vast majority of our national debt are entitlement programs."
Just for the lurkers reading this forum, that is incorrect. The largest portions of the national debt are military spending, unfunded tax cuts for higher income citizens, unfunded prescription drug programs for Medicare recipients, nearly $1T in economic stimulus funding, and two wars that were considered "off budget" for several years. It's kind of hard to imagine that some food stamps cost more in debt than 2 wars.
You said: " The vast majority of our national debt are entitlement programs."
Just for the lurkers reading this forum, that is incorrect. The largest portions of the national debt are military spending, unfunded tax cuts for higher income citizens, unfunded prescription drug programs for Medicare recipients, nearly $1T in economic stimulus funding, and two wars that were considered "off budget" for several years. It's kind of hard to imagine that some food stamps cost more in debt than 2 wars.
I believe you're wrong. Of course, that's hard to quantify, since we don't borrow money specifically just for military spending. Since Obama's first year in office with a $3.5 Trillion budget, we have added something like 9 Trillion to the debt. The fact is, our deficit increased by a wide margin with the Obama administration, and I don't believe he increased military spending proportionately.
You said: " The vast majority of our national debt are entitlement programs."
Just for the lurkers reading this forum, that is incorrect. The largest portions of the national debt are military spending, unfunded tax cuts for higher income citizens, unfunded prescription drug programs for Medicare recipients, nearly $1T in economic stimulus funding, and two wars that were considered "off budget" for several years. It's kind of hard to imagine that some food stamps cost more in debt than 2 wars.
I believe you are the one who is incorrect. Every source I find shows military spending at around 16%. Entitlement programs like social security, medicare, medicade, Obamacare, and other programs make up nearly 60% according to this article and I've seen estimates as high as 85% in others.
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