Why do Christians think they have the right to condemn non Christians ? (salvation, Buddhist)
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The subject of this thread comes from some claims made by Christians defending themselves in the Orlando thread . Please note that this is NOT a thread about Orlando . There is already a thread for that and please take any comments about that subject to the proper thread . I mention it only to set the stage for this thread .
Christians there made the point that they are and have in the past merely condemned the sinfulness of homosexuality . Which when said enough by the guys admitting to being condemning finally begs the question, why do you think you should do this, or behave this way ? Note that I do not ask why you think you have this right , people have the right to free speech . Rather I ask why you think you should go around condemning non Christians for not following Christian rules . I , BTW, do not care if they are wrong in their interpretation of homosexuality, that isn't the point . By their interpretation it is sinful, so we will go with that for this discussion. My point is why do conservative Christians feel that non Christians and liberal Christians should abide by and follow the rules of a conservative religious sect they don't belong to or agree with ?
I asked this of them on the Orlando thread and was met with silence . That usually indicates it deserves it own thread because of the deliberate avoidance , which I always read as a red flag , and so here we are .
What conservative Christian (CC) would agree that he should follow Sharia law ? What CC would feel that Muslims had the right to insist all CC females should wear the hijab? Would you appreciate and agree with a Muslim co worker that berated you every day after returning from his prayer about you not praying towards Mecca 5 times a day ? Or one that condemned you every time you admitted to eating pork ? What if you had some Buddhist co workers that routinely pointed out how sinful and primitive you are for killing and eating other animals ? What if your boss was a Buddhist who continually left tracts at your desk pointing out how cruel the meat industry is and how horrible it is for humans to consume animals ?
Would you appreciate any of this ? Would you feel you were truly violating Gods law because you didn't pray to Mecca ? Or that you ( if you are female ) or your wife and daughters are sinful sluts because you go in public without a hijab and let males from outside your family see your face and hair ?
Or would you tell the Muslim or Buddhist trying to force his religious views on you to mind his own business , that you didn't follow his faith and share his beliefs ? And if he ignored your response and continued to harangue you about how sinful you are according to his religion, would you consider it harassment ? I think it likely so .
So , why do conservative Christians feel they have the right to behave in this exact same manner to others? You have every right to insist those that follow your faith live according to the religious principles of that faith or be "sinners ". But why do you think you have the right to condemn others who don't agree with your religious views ? Is everyone in your church so pure and sinless that boredom has set in and you must go and condemn those not of your faith for something to do?
My post here is entirely serious, and sincerely asked for a response from a conservative . Why do you think you have the right to point out and condemn the lives of those who do not follow your faith and don't agree with it ?
I've never said I have the right to condemn a non-Christian. Nor have I ever advocated for a religious state. But that doesn't help your narrative, does it?
I've never said I have the right to condemn a non-Christian. Nor have I ever advocated for a religious state. But that doesn't help your narrative, does it?
You mean that never in your time here have you proclaimed to others here how homosexuality is a sin ?
And there is no narrative, only honest questions , so please participate honestly instead of pre reading what you wish into everything I say .
You mean that never in your time here have you proclaimed to others here how homosexuality is a sin ?
Define "proclaim". I've stated what the Bible says, along with what it says about adultery, drunkeness, fornication, etc. Believe it or not, I've never stood on a soapbox and screamed that gay people are sinners. Nor have I ever suggested that because homosexuality is a sinful behavior that we need to mistreat anyone.
Define "proclaim". I've stated what the Bible says, along with what it says about adultery, drunkeness, fornication, etc. Believe it or not, I've never stood on a soapbox and screamed that gay people are sinners. Nor have I ever suggested that because homosexuality is a sinful behavior that we need to mistreat anyone.
This isn't about suggesting that anyone wants to mistreat gays . As I said in the OP , there is a thread for that .
By proclaim I mean have you ever made statements that suggest it is wrong for others that are not followers of your faith to engage in certain behaviors your faith believes is sinful , including, but not limited to by me in the OP , homosexuality . But this isn't about homosexuality , so please don't focus in on that . It is about insisting that your views be accepted and followed by those not a part of your faith or they are sinners .
Per the OP, are the women in your family sinners and sluts if they go out in public without wearing a hijab ? Do you accept the views of conservative Muslims in this, even though you are not a Muslim ?
This isn't about suggesting that anyone wants to mistreat gays . As I said in the OP , there is a thread for that .
By proclaim I mean have you ever made statements that suggest it is wrong for others that are not followers of your faith to engage in certain behaviors your faith believes is sinful , including, but not limited to by me in the OP , homosexuality . But this isn't about homosexuality , so please don't focus in on that . It is about insisting that your views be accepted and followed by those not a part of your faith or they are sinners .
First of all, my apologies--you started it by mentioning a thread on homosexuality, so I assumed it was about that.
God declares that certain things are sinful. Our belief or unbelief in him is irrelevant to whether or not it is sinful.
Having said that, I have, in conversations, said that certain behaviors are sinful. No--I do not go around bashing people with a list of sinful behaviors.
Think about it: God commands that we share our faith. Jesus is the cure for what ails all of mankind -- sin. Without realizing that one needs a savior, there is no need for Jesus. Having said that, if you don't believe, and don't care to hear it? Why would I want to beat you over the head with my Bible?
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Per the OP, are the women in your family sinners and sluts if they go out in public without wearing a hijab ? Do you accept the views of conservative Muslims in this, even though you are not a Muslim ?
Why would I? For starters, their god is not God. He does not have the authority to define sin.
This isn't about suggesting that anyone wants to mistreat gays . As I said in the OP , there is a thread for that .
By proclaim I mean have you ever made statements that suggest it is wrong for others that are not followers of your faith to engage in certain behaviors your faith believes is sinful , including, but not limited to by me in the OP , homosexuality . But this isn't about homosexuality , so please don't focus in on that . It is about insisting that your views be accepted and followed by those not a part of your faith or they are sinners .
Per the OP, are the women in your family sinners and sluts if they go out in public without wearing a hijab ? Do you accept the views of conservative Muslims in this, even though you are not a Muslim ?
This is part of the worldview of many (not all, I believe) Christian denominations, especially Catholics.
Half of my family is Catholic, the other half Jewish. I've heard it all.
The big difference between them and the radical Muslims is that they are not required to force their religion on you to see their own salvation. No major Christian denomination is advocating imposing Christianity by use of force. I can deal with individual missionary wannabes just fine. It's the "soldiers of God" - in literal sense - that scare me.
This is part of the worldview of many (not all, I believe) Christian denominations, especially Catholics.
Half of my family is Catholic, the other half Jewish. I've heard it all.
The big difference between them and the radical Muslims is that they are not required to force their religion on you to see their own salvation. No major Christian denomination is advocating imposing Christianity by use of force. I can deal with individual missionary wannabes just fine. It's the "soldiers of God" - in literal sense - that scare me.
Good summary. I know of no Christian doctrine that states we MUST kill or convert others in order to reach salvation. There is no promise of a heavenly reward of 72 virgins or any other reward, either.
Thank you . I deleted my response to you if you wish to clear it all out .
And again, thanks for understanding . If you delete yours I will delete this and remove all evidence of this exchange .
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