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Old 06-25-2016, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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The bible teaches evolution and you are right to think people are wrong for putting a time limit like people saying the earth is 6000 years old and that isn't what the bible says.
Oh brother! This is an example of seeing what you want to see almost as bad as those who claim the Bible teaches magical creationism. At least in the latter case the words are actually there even if cherry picking literalism is required.

The Bible does NOT teach evolution, nor quantum mechanics, relativity, nor any of a million other things discovered by modern science. It is not incompatible, but it certainly does not teach such things. Science does not confirm the Bible or the existence of God, but neither does it conflict except with certain interpretations of the Bible and ideas about God.

 
Old 06-25-2016, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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Oh brother! This is an example of seeing what you want to see almost as bad as those who claim the Bible teaches magical creationism. At least in the latter case the words are actually there even if cherry picking literalism is required.

The Bible does NOT teach evolution, nor quantum mechanics, relativity, nor any of a million other things discovered by modern science. It is not incompatible, but it certainly does not teach such things. Science does not confirm the Bible or the existence of God, but neither does it conflict except with certain interpretations of the Bible and ideas about God.
I don't think HF was literally claiming the Bible teaches the scientific theory of evolution, only that it can be best interpreted / understood in light of that. And indeed quite a few Christians believe in theistic evolution.
 
Old 06-25-2016, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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Oh brother! This is an example of seeing what you want to see almost as bad as those who claim the Bible teaches magical creationism. At least in the latter case the words are actually there even if cherry picking literalism is required.

The Bible does NOT teach evolution, nor quantum mechanics, relativity, nor any of a million other things discovered by modern science. It is not incompatible, but it certainly does not teach such things. Science does not confirm the Bible or the existence of God, but neither does it conflict except with certain interpretations of the Bible and ideas about God.

Yes it does, from cover to cover it teaches a person to die to the mind of a beast and it shows all people to be beasts and where there are laws for oxen, those laws were written for men.


The design of the temple is in human anatomy and when the design changes it is showing an evolution and where God first dwelt in the skins of animals, he now dwells within humans. The most beautiful beast of the garden was our father and it is this spirit of that beast that we fight...


The disciples said,'' Shall we call fire down on these Lord?''


The answer was, '' You speak from your father Satan,'' and Satan was the most beautiful animal in the garden.


The story of Adam is the story of the earth and where Adam was pierced, and a rib taken from his own body to make a bride, this Earth was pierced when the moon slammed into the earth and the moon began a marriage by which we live through the seasons with the moon pulling on the waters of man, and this is why the covenant is referred to as a covenant between the Earth and moon.


Anyone who takes Genesis literal is not looking hard enough because the 24 hour creation days are shown to be years and years between them.




But yeah, I could give you a thousand scriptures talking about overcoming the beast that we are and this is why the sins of the whole world is put on the head of a beast.
 
Old 06-25-2016, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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When Isaac was going to bless his sons, Jacob put on the skins of an animal to show that he was his brother Esau and this is a picture of one brother standing inside the other and this is why it is said,'' God hates Esau,'' because Esau is the flesh and we are taught this in the New Testament that Hagar is Jerusalem in accordance with the flesh and Sarah is the Jerusalem above and there is a law for flesh and a law for spirit, but all the stories are this way, Cain killed the spiritual hidden man within.


This is how the parables go also, we are shown body soul, and spirit and the body is a beast.


We are as Jacob and Esau, twin sons in a womb, one representing flesh and one representing the hidden spiritual man and these two fight. The beast against the man.


What does it mean to see Elijah in the desert wearing skins of animals and when a prophet wears skins of animals to deceive? There is a whole lot of symbolism with showing us how we are animals.

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Old 06-25-2016, 04:46 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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By the way, Chuck Missier, who you are watching, has been accused of, and he acknowledges, that numerous times that books he wrote were plagiarized. So much for all that Christian morality.

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Hmm, well. Looking around on the 'Net, I find a Chuck Missler - is this the guy? It certainly looks like him - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Missler


A colorful fella, I must say. & if the info on Wikipedia is correct, he sounds absolutely loopy.
 
Old 06-25-2016, 08:19 PM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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Hmm, well. Looking around on the 'Net, I find a Chuck Missler - is this the guy? It certainly looks like him - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Missler


A colorful fella, I must say. & if the info on Wikipedia is correct, he sounds absolutely loopy.
That would be the character!
 
Old 06-26-2016, 08:40 AM
 
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Yes, talking about a specific person.

And if there was a broader critique, it was more on the idea that Christians are generally always good people. This idea does exist in many Christian, to some extent at least. Evidence of this is just how many people won't vote for a non-Christian president. The idea is that, if they're Christian, they'll be at least mostly good, and this simply isn't the case. It's less an attack on Christian morals (which aren't a think since Christians don't all necessarily believe in one set of morals, but still), but rather the idea that just because someone has them does not mean they won't live by them, even if it's a minister.
Well said. Dangerous thinking that "we can trust him because he's a Christian". How many times has that turned out bad?
 
Old 06-26-2016, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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Well said. Dangerous thinking that "we can trust him because he's a Christian". How many times has that turned out bad?

Aint that the truth, somebody throws that out and I raise an eyebrow. I have heard my mom use that a thousand times and every time I am like?


What?


WTH? That is just not what people want to hear.
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