Atheists causing problems for Muslims (as they already do for Christians) (Earth, evidence)
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Don't worry about Mystic. long since we debated tis very topic and I can recall that he mocked and ridiculed, but didn't actually present any sound argument, and in the end had to dismiss basics of logic in order to maintain his position.
Specifically he peed all over infinite regression which he tried to force on me,ignoring anything I said as an alternative mechanism, and rejected the illogic of a postulated god a priori...I'm sure he will recall that episode.
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God is trusted in, so the God aspect of Christian God and Muslim God, if Christian and Muslim are separate from God.
I get that. We are talking about a postulated divine creator who may or may not have any interest in any particular religion. That is why I (and I think atheism as a rationale) has no great problem with the god claim as such other than when it is presented as a fact when in fact there is no decent evidence for it and some good reasons to doubt it.
The evidence of this is Anthony Flew, who when presented with evidence tat convinced him of a Creator, he became a theist - just like That, as I would if there was evidence o convince me. But it did nothing at all to sell him Christianity or Islam or any of the religions.
The problem pops up when a 'Creator' argument is used as a Tee to drive off to the distant Biblegod, or one of the other Creators.
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You have neither the knowledge, the maturity, nor the temperament to seriously engage the issues you mock.
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Please elaborate.
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Don't worry about Mystic. long since we debated tis very topic and I can recall that he mocked and ridiculed, but didn't actually present any sound argument, and in the end had to dismiss basics of logic in order to maintain his position.
Specifically he peed all over infinite regression which he tried to force on me,ignoring anything I said as an alternative mechanism, and rejected the illogic of a postulated god a priori...I'm sure he will recall that episode.
Says the man who equally lacks knowledge and temperament, even if his chronology should equate to some level of maturity.
Arq, you too have neither the knowledge, the maturity, nor the temperament to seriously engage the issues you mock or pretend to evaluate.
Yeah that's pretty much where it ends, unfortunately, for Slick and for proponents of CARM.
They assert a priori creator mandates and get upset that we don't accept them. All the while, pardoning their god-creator from requiring creation and ignoring the obvious infinite regression problem it creates.
Yeah that's pretty much where it ends, unfortunately, for Slick and for proponents of CARM.
They assert a priori creator mandates and get upset that we don't accept them. All the while, pardoning their god-creator from requiring creation and ignoring the obvious infinite regression problem it creates.
Analogically, if someone refers to chair and a red char and a green chair are brought in, the chair aspect of the red chair and green chair is what was being referred to.
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I get that. We are talking about a postulated divine creator
We are talking about the divine, which redefines what "We" and "talking" and "postulated" means.
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That is why I (and I think atheism as a rationale) has no great problem with the god claim as such other than when it is presented as a fact when in fact there is no decent evidence for it and some good reasons to doubt it.
There is enough evidence of God to God and in God.
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The evidence of this is Anthony Flew, who when presented with evidence tat convinced him of a Creator, he became a theist - just like That, as I would if there was evidence o convince me. But it did nothing at all to sell him Christianity or Islam or any of the religions.
Not all definitions have Theism, Christianity, and Islam as three distinct and competing groups.
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The problem pops up when a 'Creator' argument is used as a Tee to drive off to the distant Biblegod, or one of the other Creators.
If something besides God is being referred to, how does that become an issue for theism which talks of God?
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Someone who expounds logic and reason shouldn't have to resort to razor sharp snark, foaming biting type rhetoric which is your usual tone and content here. If you can't separate emotion from your reasoning then why should anyone trust it?
They shouldn't have to, but we live in a world of psychology and high levels of communication with low levels of attention and focus.
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Yup. And I've observed that you can lead an atheist to evidence but you can't make him believe.
What evidence, pastor? Biblical? That is only a circular reference to itself, and is not any sort of evidence. Now, give us some evidence why an atheist, or a Buddhist, or a Zoroastrian, or a Taoist, or a Shintoist should believe anything that is in the bible?
Says the man who equally lacks knowledge and temperament, even if his chronology should equate to some level of maturity.
Arq, you too have neither the knowledge, the maturity, nor the temperament to seriously engage the issues you mock or pretend to evaluate.
Present evidence for your claims and we will be forced to believe. I'm not holding my breath.
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Honestly? I heard that handing a gift of a Subway coupon for a free sandwich was too much for the atheists at the "Reason Rally". They called that act a "protest" and disallowed it. Seems to me to be a reaction by a group of people that are scared to answer the "why?" question.
Only telling half truths, preacher?
Want to tell the whole story of Ray Comfort's attempt or shall I? I'll wait until tomorrow, and then show why you are spreading at best half truths.
Want to tell the whole story of Ray Comfort's attempt or shall I? I'll wait until tomorrow, and then show why you are spreading at best half truths.
Knock yourself out. I'm sure you'll put your own spin on it. They wanted to hand out gift cards. Of course that would lead to more conversations, but no one was going to start slinging mud and protesting over it.
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