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No, there's really no reason to doubt the age of the earth. Perhaps the details are off a little (like 4.3 or 4.6 billion years), but an age of only a few thousand years is ridiculous. The dinosaurs went extinct 65 million years ago.
It's not a problem of somebody being unwilling to listen.
Of course there is. There are all kinds of dating methods that show less time.
The distance between the earth and moon is one. The moon moves an inch or two farther away every year. Do the math...how close was it 4 billion years ago?
The point of all of this is, if both the necessary and sufficient conditions exist, then the event in question happens immediately. In this case, the creation of the universe would have happened an infinite amount of time ago -- if it was an impersonal, unintelligent cause. But we know that it did NOT happen an infinite amount of time ago. Most people suggest the Big Bang happened a set number of years ago -- be it 4 billion or 14 billion -- it happened at that point.
What prevented it from happening an infinite number of years before? If it was an impersonal cause -- then both necessary and sufficient conditions would have existed, as it did not take a personal creator to "decide" or "choose" to trigger the event.
Of course there is. There are all kinds of dating methods that show less time.
What dating methods show a 6,000 - 10,000 year old Earth.
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The distance between the earth and moon is one. The moon moves an inch or two farther away every year. Do the math...how close was it 4 billion years ago?
Of course there is. There are all kinds of dating methods that show less time.
The distance between the earth and moon is one. The moon moves an inch or two farther away every year. Do the math...how close was it 4 billion years ago?
The Earth moves approximately 1.49 inches from the Earth every year. One reason is the Earths rotation is slowing. The moon formed approx 4.5 billion years ago, and was not part of the Earths orbit 4 billion years ago.
But, I know how much you hate going off topic with me.... Carry on...
Of course there is. There are all kinds of dating methods that show less time.
The distance between the earth and moon is one. The moon moves an inch or two farther away every year. Do the math...how close was it 4 billion years ago?
That one has been refuted , as has every other claim questioning the dating . I'll have to find a video showing the science .
And there is NO honest dating method that shows a vastly different time than what scientists claim . None. You have lies and half truths from creationists , but no actual honest evidence .
The point of all of this is, if both the necessary and sufficient conditions exist, then the event in question happens immediately. In this case, the creation of the universe would have happened an infinite amount of time ago -- if it was an impersonal, unintelligent cause. But we know that it did NOT happen an infinite amount of time ago. Most people suggest the Big Bang happened a set number of years ago -- be it 4 billion or 14 billion -- it happened at that point.
What prevented it from happening an infinite number of years before? If it was an impersonal cause -- then both necessary and sufficient conditions would have existed, as it did not take a personal creator to "decide" or "choose" to trigger the event.
How do you know both the necessary and sufficient conditions existed immediately ? What physics do you have to support this claim? Do you understand it asked something like 1000 yrs for a light photon to move from the center of the Sun to the surface to be shot out as light ? And that's just normal light from the Sun. How on Earth would you propose to understand what the conditions prior to the BB were ? How would you propose to know what was going on in the energy field before the BB? Please inform us of how you arrive at this information .
How do you know we are not in a perpetual BB and Big Crunch, eternally over and over . This is actually the Hindu model of cosmology . Do you have some proof that our universe does not go through a never ending cycle of BB and BC ?
CARM arguments, like the Answers in Genesis stuff, is for those who don't want to think but simply be given any information , right or wrong, that will allow them to continue in their beliefs .
Do you realize there are theist and even Christian physicists ? This is not a snarky question , it is a sincere one I would like an answer to , as it has relevance to your attempted point .
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Of course there is. There are all kinds of dating methods that show less time.
The distance between the earth and moon is one. The moon moves an inch or two farther away every year. Do the math...how close was it 4 billion years ago?
Don't be a fool Viz! Why do you assume a constant rate?
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Knock yourself out. I'm sure you'll put your own spin on it. They wanted to hand out gift cards. Of course that would lead to more conversations, but no one was going to start slinging mud and protesting over it.
The Reason Rally organizers had nothing to do with getting the Ray Comfort group to move. Nothing. The Ray Comfort group did not have a permit, and it was the Washington police that asked them to move. It really, really helps to get your facts straight before spreading half truths, pastor.
The point of all of this is, if both the necessary and sufficient conditions exist, then the event in question happens immediately. In this case, the creation of the universe would have happened an infinite amount of time ago -- if it was an impersonal, unintelligent cause. But we know that it did NOT happen an infinite amount of time ago. Most people suggest the Big Bang happened a set number of years ago -- be it 4 billion or 14 billion -- it happened at that point.
What prevented it from happening an infinite number of years before? If it was an impersonal cause -- then both necessary and sufficient conditions would have existed, as it did not take a personal creator to "decide" or "choose" to trigger the event.
Question! So do you believe the BB is the starting point of this universe or that God triggered the BB?
By the way, if God decided to create then that would mean at one point in his existence he became dissatisfied with his present state of existence. The only reason anyone acts is because the circumstances are not what they will them to be - otherwise why act. And since God was the only thing in existence before his creation then he would have been dissatisfied with himself. As such God's will changed from satisfaction to dissatisfaction within himself - if that is the case. BUT since God is timeless and eternal and he cannot change his will would have been such as well particularly in relation to himself. Therefore, the will to act to create the universe would have been from an eternity ago. It would have been simultaneous with his will. Therefore the universe would have been created an eternity ago. As such, whatever the ontological nature of the universe is that stuff is eternal. Which brings us back to the point about energy being the eternal thing from which all things are made and transformed eternally. Otherwise you yourself have a problem with God's will and his intent to create - which must have been from an entity ago and which is impossible at some 'time' since there is no time with God.
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