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I'm quite surprised that they were found not guilty of any charges. Regardless, no matter how much woo you think is being served up from a pulpit, let the people who come to hear it enjoy their entertainment. Heck, they don't even have to pay for parking or admission if they don't want to.
It is a low brow action by these members of a different christian sect. I wonder if atheists came into their church and bellowed statements how they would react? It seems in Texas, a precedent may have been set for boorish behavior in religious assemblies, without any consequences.
I wasn't surprised, I think what a lot of people don't know is the atmosphere of security in that place and of course you have to have security but let's say you attend a service and you stick around just to ask a question to one of the lesser clergy. If you ask the wrong question, police will escort you out. I know they have to have security because they are the biggest church in the world but the way those people act and the mentality of protection is just not right. You should be able to go to a church you supported for years just to ask a simple question without police officers grabbing hold of you and humiliating you beyond your imagination.
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And Jesus poor?
Um, he chose to travel on foot to villages with his group, so what, he was very smart and savvy...
but he wasn't poor since the Magi came!
And Joseph wasn't poor either.
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As a Born Again Christian, I take issue with Osteens prosperity gospel message. If God wanted us all to be wealthy, why was Jesus basically homeless and poor while He walked the earth? Pastors that only preach "Love and forgiveness", without discussing repentence, and judgement are either liars and fakes, or more concerned about what their audience thinks than they are about what God thinks.
And as an avowed Atheist, I think this is just plain boorish behavior, and your right to have your belief should not trump those that are gathered to worship in their own way in their place of worship. I would never go into any religious service and start hollering at the preacher/priest/rabbi/iman that their religion is bat scat crazy and has the veracity of a Mother Goose story, even though you have seen me do so many times on this forum.
It appears in Texas, I now have that right. And there is something wrong with that.
You would think that a big church there would have ushers to bounce the disruptor's out of the church , and not having to go to a court in the world to take care of the church meetings ...... As hospitality bars still have bouncer to usher people out of their business , So should the hospitalities church have ushers to keep order in the church
You would think that a big church there would have ushers to bounce the disruptor's out of the church , and not having to go to a court in the world to take care of the church meetings ...... As hospitality bars still have bouncer to usher people out of their business , So should the hospitalities church have ushers to keep order in the church
For once, you're making sense.
Many, many, MANY moons ago, when I was 18, I attended a church very much like Vizio's, only larger. During the sermon, a lady in a prim dress and pillbox hat came in and sat in the back. I noticed that she was muttering to herself and making various reflexive hand gestures. After awhile she began to ejaculate a stray AMEN! or two and eyebrows were raised (this wasn't THAT kind of church). Then there was a GLORY!! or two. Finally she blarted out, in a stentorian voice entirely at odds with here slim frame, "INDIVIDUAL SOULS!!!"
And no, I have no idea what she meant by that. It had nothing to do with the sermon. Anyway at that point the paster stopped and gently said to the ushers, "would you please help the nice lady to find the door"? And they took her by the elbows, one on each side, and did what ushers do. They ushed. Specificially they ushered her out. She just kept ... I don't know, praising god, or whatever it was that she was doing.
Of course my wise-arse friends and I, students at the local Bible institute, for weeks afterwords, would randomly burst out in shouts of "INDIVIDUAL SOULS!" for no reason and crack each other up.
But ... this was 1975 and the lady was, I think, mentally unstable. If it had been 2015 and she had been some kind of activist, the way they handled her might not have gone so well.
This is an interesting conundrum. On one hand, I vehemently disagree with Osteen's teachings and I am happy to say that to anyone that asks. One might be tempted to cheer them.
On the other hand, as a pastor, I have pondered what I'd do in a similar situation. There are groups that think my church teaches falsely. I've never met anyone that would take it to the extent they did in Osteen's church, but in the event that something like that happened, I've wondered what I'd do. I do believe that we should have the right to worship, and I believe that Osteen's church has the right to exist and conduct services without harassment.
Agreed 100%. I don't care what the man is preaching, he has a right to preach it and the members of the congregation have a right to hear it. I guess I agree that it probably wasn't illegal, but it certainly was very inappropriate in my opinion. If you disagree with someone's religious beliefs, there is a time and a place to voice those disagreements and object to the beliefs, but really - this was their church, and they have the right to do and say whatever they want in it. That should have been respected.
You would think that a big church there would have ushers to bounce the disruptor's out of the church , and not having to go to a court in the world to take care of the church meetings ...... As hospitality bars still have bouncer to usher people out of their business , So should the hospitalities church have ushers to keep order in the church
Do you think Osteen really cares what the Bible says about lawsuits in the church? He has shown little regard for what it says on any other topic.
But I will defend his right to say what he wants on his stage, and the people that are gullible enough to go see him have the right to expect to be unmolested in their listening.
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