Ken Ham's Opening Day at the Ark. #FAIL only 4000 show up. (salvation, Muslim)
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Really? Didn't Jesus say just that to the rich young man - sell all you have and follow me? And didn't the disciples in the early church have everything in common, and sell their possessions and pool the money also? And weren't Ananias and Sapphira killed by God when they decided to lie and hold some of their money back?
Yes, the believers of the early church had all things in common. They were believers who were Israelites. They lived in Israel. They were not believers of the nations.
Believers of the nations do not have to sell all we have to follow Christ. We of the nations are saved by grace and are not His disciples. There is a huge difference between believers of Israel and of the nations both in their future allotment and how they are saved.
Maybe in the modern world the lifestyle of the early church would be not very feasible, but in any case everything I have ever read in the Bible concerning the stewardship of money stands in direct contradiction to millon-dollar theme parks.
Believe it or not, I actually don't think Christians should be building million-dollar theme parks even if such a concept is not addressed in the Scriptures. But since we are under grace . . . .
As usual, nobody is fooled by your denial, and your credibility is long gone.
The problem is that people ARE fooled by your denial and your lack of credibility.
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(1) and of course there are (at least) two Holy Sepulchres. Neither of those can really be right, either.
Doesn't matter. We know the original one is empty. Christ is at the right hand of God and is coming back. You will just have to wait until you see Him not only as your judge but as your loving Saviour Who truly does love you and did everything to save you. Yes, you will be saved due to what He did for you.
The problem is that people ARE fooled by your denial and your lack of credibility.
Doesn't matter. We know the original one is empty. Christ is at the right hand of God and is coming back. You will just have to wait until you see Him not only as your judge but as your loving Saviour Who truly does love you and did everything to save you. Yes, you will be saved due to what He did for you.
No, it comes under the heading of "It is for Israel."
Oh, I though Jesus, with that alleged quote, was addressing his followers. Good to know he meant something completely different, for a different group of people.
I understand now, I think: members of the Body of Christ are to follow the teachings of Jesus unless it is inconvenient or Paul or someone else later came along and said something that contradicts something allegedly said by Jesus. So glad you are here to explain this to us unwashed laypeople.
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Paul the apostle is for the nations. He is the nations' apostle. We don't have to sell all we have to get into the kingdom. We don't even get into the kingdom Christ spoke of which is an earthly kingdom. Ours is heavenly, among the celestials, and we are saved by grace, not works like the Israelites are.
So, following filthy lucre and reveling in riches is no problem. Great! This lets off the hook a-holes who want to buy another $6000 titanium golf club while two dozen families within five miles of them are worried about where the next week's meals for their kids are gonna come from since their paychecks have already run out.
The problem is that people ARE fooled by your denial and your lack of credibility.
I should love to think they were persuaded by me, but so far my record looks like this
"Well worded posts calculated to deconvert a Bible believer after one read - 1,500,000"
"Bible -believers deconverted as a result of the above - 0".
And if they were I should hate it to be because of what I said, but of what they could check for themselves. That is why you fail because a quick check debunks you on the spot and frequently shows that you didn't read or understand what you posted. Amazingly that even applies to the Bible. But then not only does reality have to fit in with what you have Faith in but so does the Bible.
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Doesn't matter. We know the original one is empty. Christ is at the right hand of God and is coming back. You will just have to wait until you see Him not only as your judge but as your loving Saviour Who truly does love you and did everything to save you. Yes, you will be saved due to what He did for you.
Good. Then I have as little to worry about as if an afterlife was something we all got, naturally or there wasn't one at all. The Reverse Pascal wins again. And we don't know the Original one is empty because we don't know which it was or where. You may not recall the flurry over the Talpiot tomb....Yep Mensa, I know...I won't be long...which was thought to contain the body of Jesus.
That was quite credible to the believers - and it was nowhere near the Bezetha suburb or the mount of Olives (the more probable location of Arimathea's tomb -if there ever was one), so why can we claim to know anything about the tomb or whether it is empty or not?
Well, you don't need to tell me old mate. If it is supported by hard evidence, but it doesn't fit in with what you believe, it means nothing, because nobody saw it, scientists are all liars and you are right no matter what anyone says.
If however you say so, it is undeniable fact and never mind what anyone says. Evidence - I don't want to try Mod patience, but several times you have presented evidence that refuted what you were trying to argue. You either didn't read it or understand it. And just in the last week, I absolutely clobbered every one of your bits of evidence re the Ophel Temple site. You then claimed I hadn't and you'd won.
so..credibility?
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I agree that I wouldn't project demand based on first day sales necessarily, but normally if there is a huge pent-up demand for something like this, the opening gala reflects that. If I were an investor, I'd be deeply uneasy.
But time will tell.
Sadly, in this case, 'investor' = Kentucky taxpayer.
Religious faith is an emotional thing, it cannot be swayed by intellectual arguments one way or the other. The two operate on different levels.
Yes. One entails knowledge and reason; the other just blind, unquestioning adherence to outdated, baseless belief systems and a hierarchy created to enforce and control.
A few things I wanted to mention after reading a lot about the Ark Encounter. First they had dinosaurs and unicorns on the Ark? I actually knew they believed dinosaurs were on it, but unicorns? Is that a joke or are they serious? Next, AiG could only find one company in the US who could make the wood boards to their specifications, and the only wood that would work was in the PNW. Wait, so even with modern technology they had to find a specialist company to do this work, and we are supposed to believe people hand built this using tools from thousands of years ago? They built some of the Ark using ancient techniques and some Amish (why?) techniques, but most of the ship was still built with modern technology and designs.
The financial projections have dropped considerably. From an original, 1.4 million visitors to 400,000 visitors annually. That comes out to just over a 1000 people a day. It was supposed to have a $150 million impact a year for the region and they have dropped that to $40 million. The park obviously is having funding issues as most of the park construction has been delayed 2-3 years.
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I should love to think they were persuaded by me, but so far my record looks like this