Ken Ham's Opening Day at the Ark. #FAIL only 4000 show up. (Kingdom, Egyptian)
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Originally Posted by Rafius
Ummm. You omitted the preceding paragraph...
Scholars disagree about the factual accuracy and correct interpretation of accounts of the treasure ships.
You also omitted this too.... Some scholars argue that it is highly unlikely that Zheng He's ship was 140 metres (460 ft) in length, some estimating that it was 110–124 m (390–408 feet) long and 49–51 m (160–166 feet) wide instead [12] while others put them as 61–76 m (200–250 feet) in length,msince in later historical periods ships approaching the extreme sizes claimed for the treasure ships (such as HMS Orlando and the schooner Wyoming) were unwieldy and visibly undulated with the waves, even with steel braces.
One explanation for the alleged size of these colossal ships was that the largest 44 Zhang treasure ships were merely for a display of imperial power by the Emperor and imperial bureaucrats on the Yangtze River when on court business, including when reviewing Zheng He's actual expedition fleet. The Yangtze River, with its calmer waters, may have been navigable for such large but unseaworthy ships. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chines...ship#Criticism
What do they call it when someone omits facts they know? Umm... pretty sure there is a word for that. Can't imagine a fundy like Eusie doing that though, it is sooooo against their moral guidelines.
So it was a simple thing for a genius like Noah, especially when given wisdom by God, to build the ark the way he did and have it survive along with his family and animals. It would be nice if Ken Ham had these details in his Ark Exhibit too.
Does Ken Ham explain how the Egyptians managed to continue building their civilization and constructing monuments, and didn't bother to take notice of the worldwide flood that was supposed to be drowning them all. The alleged flood took place about 2304 BCE, which was the height of the Egyptian civilization.
The prehistory of Egypt stretches from about 8000 BCE. The written history of Egypt stretches from ~3500 BCE through invasions by Hyksos, Hittites, Romans, through floods, famines, insurrections, massive building projects, and the mind-boggling minutiae of royal bureaucracy. During this period the whole world was engulfed in a flood which scoured the land clean. And in Egypt, nobody noticed. They didn't notice when they lost a Pharaoh under the Red Sea, either, but that’s another story.
So it doesn't MATTER if the Chinese built a wooden ship over 400 feet long ... or if the Romans did it ... or if the Israelites did it ... or whoever did it. Who cares? The logistics make the Noah story absolutely IMPOSSIBLE.
This is another reason why Ken Ham's ark exhibit is so important is that it shows people the sheer incredible size of Noah's ark and how it was perfect to take care of his family and animals during the historic world-wide flood.
Does Ken Ham explain how the Egyptians managed to continue building their civilization and constructing monuments, and didn't bother to take notice of the worldwide flood that was supposed to be drowning them all. The alleged flood took place about 2304 BCE, which was the height of the Egyptian civilization.
The prehistory of Egypt stretches from about 8000 BCE. The written history of Egypt stretches from ~3500 BCE through invasions by Hyksos, Hittites, Romans, through floods, famines, insurrections, massive building projects, and the mind-boggling minutiae of royal bureaucracy. During this period the whole world was engulfed in a flood which scoured the land clean. And in Egypt, nobody noticed. They didn't notice when they lost a Pharaoh under the Red Sea, either, but that’s another story.
Some of the history of Egypt is prior to the flood and the rest of it is after the flood. One of Noah's offspring re-kick started the Egyptian system after the flood. Maybe Ken Ham's Ark exhibit shows this.
What do they call it when someone omits facts they know? Umm... pretty sure there is a word for that. Can't imagine a fundy like Eusie doing that though, it is sooooo against their moral guidelines.
Right?
No, it is called getting flagged by the moderators for quoting too much of a given article.
This is another reason why Ken Ham's ark exhibit is so important is that it shows people the sheer incredible size of Noah's ark and how it was perfect to take care of his family and animals during the historic world-wide flood.
The article spoke about mass nit volume and stated that it did not calclate it the animals could fit in there, only that the arc could sopport it's weight. I di not see any mention of food or water and certainly no dinosaurs in their calculation. Add food or dinosaurs and the payload increases drastically.
They simply stated that the Ark was big enough to hold the weight of the animals and still float.
The article spoke about mass nit volume and stated that it did not calclate it the animals could fit in there, only that the arc could sopport it's weight. I di not see any mention of food or water and certainly no dinosaurs in their calculation. Add food or dinosaurs and the payload increases drastically.
They simply stated that the Ark was big enough to hold the weight of the animals and still float.
Maybe you didn't read closely enough.
They stated:
"Using approximate animal weights and some basic physics principles, they found that such a vessel could have stayed afloat with 70,000 animals on board."
The point is Shirina said "The logistics make the Noah story absolutely IMPOSSIBLE," when in fact the logistics prove it is possible.
Perhaps our Bible literalists here could demonstrate, WITH EVIDENCE how four men and their wives (no others were mentioned in Genesis so they would be pure conjecture) perhaps using animal power, cut enough trees to build such a structure, hewed them into timbers, transported them, lifted them into place and fashioned them into a ship larger than any KNOWN to have existed – using only the rudimentary tools available in that era.
Perhaps they can also demonstrate, WITH EVIDENCE how animals from the entire planet were collected by eight people without transportation – including all microscopic animals that could not have been known to the people and those animals returned to diverse habitats worldwide by eight people without transportation.
Can they also demonstrate, WITH EVIDENCE, 100% survival rate for pairs of animals for one year on ark – and successful re-population of the Earth by each single pair of animals (when we know that in reality animals whose population declines to a few breeding pairs are very likely to go extinct)
Can they also demonstrate, WITH EVIDENCE, how it would be possible to store enough feed for all animals for a year (including carnivores and herbivores with very specific diets).
Can they demonstrate, WITH EVIDENCE how it would be possible to furnish adequate climate control aboard the ark for millions of animals with a single 17.5 inch window.
Can they explain, WITH EVIDENCE:
* fresh water fish surviving a year in salt water for a year and vice versa.
* evolution of plants and animals more rapid than any ever proposed by science.
* re-population of the Earth by humans beginning with less than one couple per every two continents.
* environmental requirements being met for all animals with a crew of only eight.
* millions of cubic miles of water magically appearing, killing all animals (but not plants), then magically disappearing.
* Claimed absence of rain pre-flood even though humans and crops lived at the time.
I'd also an explanation for the olive leaf. Supposedly a dove flew away from the ark, found an olive leaf and returned.
Where did the leaf come from? Olive trees and all other plants had been submerged for a year in ocean water, vast sedimentation and erosion occurred, mountains formed, continents moved .....yet an olive tree survived to provide a leaf. How?
Also, please note that 'God did it' will not be accepted as evidence not will the idiotic Eusebian repost of...'well it must have happened otherwise we wouldn't be here now.'
Perhaps our Bible literalists here could demonstrate, WITH EVIDENCE how four men and their wives (no others were mentioned in Genesis so they would be pure conjecture) perhaps using animal power, cut enough trees to build such a structure, hewed them into timbers, transported them, lifted them into place and fashioned them into a ship larger than any KNOWN to have existed – using only the rudimentary tools available in that era.
Perhaps they can also demonstrate, WITH EVIDENCE how animals from the entire planet were collected by eight people without transportation – including all microscopic animals that could not have been known to the people and those animals returned to diverse habitats worldwide by eight people without transportation.
Can they also demonstrate, WITH EVIDENCE, 100% survival rate for pairs of animals for one year on ark – and successful re-population of the Earth by each single pair of animals (when we know that in reality animals whose population declines to a few breeding pairs are very likely to go extinct)
Can they also demonstrate, WITH EVIDENCE, how it would be possible to store enough feed for all animals for a year (including carnivores and herbivores with very specific diets).
Can they demonstrate, WITH EVIDENCE how it would be possible to furnish adequate climate control aboard the ark for millions of animals with a single 17.5 inch window.
Can they explain, WITH EVIDENCE:
* fresh water fish surviving a year in salt water for a year and vice versa.
* evolution of plants and animals more rapid than any ever proposed by science.
* re-population of the Earth by humans beginning with less than one couple per every two continents.
* environmental requirements being met for all animals with a crew of only eight.
* millions of cubic miles of water magically appearing, killing all animals (but not plants), then magically disappearing.
* Claimed absence of rain pre-flood even though humans and crops lived at the time.
I'd also an explanation for the olive leaf. Supposedly a dove flew away from the ark, found an olive leaf and returned.
Where did the leaf come from? Olive trees and all other plants had been submerged for a year in ocean water, vast sedimentation and erosion occurred, mountains formed, continents moved .....yet an olive tree survived to provide a leaf. How?
Also, please note that 'God did it' will not be accepted as evidence not will the idiotic Eusebian repost of...'well it must have happened otherwise we wouldn't be here now.'
We've already gone over these things in other threads on Noah's ark. Sorry but this is about Ken Ham's Ark Encounter. I suggest you stay on topic.
What do they call it when someone omits facts they know? Umm... pretty sure there is a word for that.
Quote-mining.
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Originally Posted by Eusebius
Some of the history of Egypt is prior to the flood and the rest of it is after the flood. One of Noah's offspring re-kick started the Egyptian system after the flood.
Do you even realise that there are pyramids dating to before the alleged flood and that in Brazil there are pyramids dating to 3000BCE...yet following the alleged flood, we see nothing from Noah's descendants wondering what those strange structures were
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Originally Posted by Eusebius
Maybe you didn't read closely enough.
They stated:
"Using approximate animal weights and some basic physics principles, they found that such a vessel could have stayed afloat with 70,000 animals on board."
What about the other couple of million?
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