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Old 07-23-2016, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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We've already gone over these things in other threads on Noah's ark. Sorry but this is about Ken Ham's Ark Encounter. I suggest you stay on topic.
So you can't answer. Thought not.

...and it is on topic. Ham claims the ark was real. I'm pointing out how it can't be.

 
Old 07-23-2016, 01:55 PM
 
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Quote-mining.

Do you even realise that there are pyramids dating to before the alleged flood and that in Brazil there are pyramids dating to 3000BCE...yet following the alleged flood, we see nothing from Noah's descendants wondering what those strange structures were
"Most were built as tombs for the country's pharaohs and their consorts during the Old and Middle Kingdom periods. The earliest known Egyptian pyramids are found at Saqqara, northwest of Memphis. The earliest among these is the Pyramid of Djoser (constructed 2630 BC2611 BC) which was built during the third dynasty." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_pyramids

Noah's flood occurred around 3,000 BC. So after the confusion of languages at the tower of Babel, around 300 to 400 years after the flood, large numbers of people settled in what is now Egypt and built the pyramids.
Maybe Ken Ham's Ark exhibit has some of this information?


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What about the other couple of million?
There weren't another couple of million animals. The size of Ken Ham's ark, being like that in size to Noah's shows it was not built for millions of animals. It has already been proven that there needed to only be no more than 16,000 land animals including birds on the ark: https://answersingenesis.org/noahs-a...care-for-them/

This site How Many Animals Were on the Ark? | CBN.com says there needed at the highest end of the spectrum to be only 30,000 and at the lowest end 2,000. But Ken Ham's ark proves it was surely large enough to hold over 50,000 animals.
 
Old 07-23-2016, 01:56 PM
 
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What do they call it when someone omits facts they know? Umm... pretty sure there is a word for that.
Lying?

I think.
 
Old 07-23-2016, 01:57 PM
 
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So you can't answer. Thought not.

...and it is on topic. Ham claims the ark was real. I'm pointing out how it can't be.
I can, but might get flagged for going off topic which you constantly do. Are you just trying to get me banned? Sorry, I won't take your bait. Start another thread if it is so important to you.
 
Old 07-23-2016, 02:03 PM
 
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Some of the history of Egypt is prior to the flood and the rest of it is after the flood. One of Noah's offspring re-kick started the Egyptian system after the flood. Maybe Ken Ham's Ark exhibit shows this.
This guy "re-kick started" hundreds and hundreds of years, tons and tons of brick and stone and thousands upon thousands of hours ofmanpower using tens of thousands of people at the very least over many generations spent creating giant structures?

So I guess he re-kickstarted (love that faux word) like...really really fast?

REALLY fast.

One might even say, ahem...impossibly fast. Well, if one were intelligent and at least loosely logical.
 
Old 07-23-2016, 02:05 PM
 
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According to the historically accurate account, they were very evil and would not enter the ark as God pleaded with them and for 100 years God, through Noah, told them to turn from their evil ways.

This is another reason why Ken Ham's Ark Encounter is a great idea is to get people to see that in the face of rank unbelief, there are some people like Noah and family who believed God in the face of 100 years of great adversity.
How many children died,babes at the breast? How many abortion were committed in this event?
 
Old 07-23-2016, 02:06 PM
 
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This guy "re-kick started" hundreds and hundreds of years, tons and tons of brick and stone and thousands upon thousands of hours ofmanpower using tens of thousands of people at the very least over many generations spent creating giant structures?

So I guess he re-kickstarted (love that faux word) like...really really fast?

REALLY fast.

One might even say, ahem...impossibly fast. Well, if one were intelligent and at least loosely logical.
There were well over a million people at the tower of Babel when the dispersion started around 300 years after the flood. They had around 100 more years in Egypt to make hundreds of thousands of babies and have a force easily big enough to do the job of pyramid building. You can read it here from a rabbi: http://www.jewishanswers.org/ask-the...growth/?p=3463

So what about Ken Ham's ark do you think is a positive thing for people who will visit it in the coming years?
 
Old 07-23-2016, 02:09 PM
 
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How many children died,babes at the breast? How many abortion were committed in this event?
I don't know. Why don't you visit Ken Ham's Ark Encounter and find out?
 
Old 07-23-2016, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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"Most were built as tombs for the country's pharaohs and their consorts during the Old and Middle Kingdom periods. The earliest known Egyptian pyramids are found at Saqqara, northwest of Memphis. The earliest among these is the Pyramid of Djoser (constructed 2630 BC2611 BC) which was built during the third dynasty." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_pyramids

Noah's flood occurred around 3,000 BC.
No. Your flood is dated to ~2300 BCE so Djoser would have been built some 300 years before your flood and the pyramids in Brazil even older.

The placing of a catastrophic global flood in the year 2304 BC means that all civilizations discovered by archaeology must fit into the last 4,285 years.
The Date of Noah

Using the Bible, well-documented historical events, and some math, we find that the Flood began approximately 4,359 years ago in the year 1656 AM or 2348 BC.
https://answersingenesis.org/bible-t...for-the-flood/

...and AiG is a creationist site that you frequently quote as factual.

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So after the confusion of languages at the tower of Babel, around 300 to 400 years after the flood, large numbers of people settled in what is now Egypt and built the pyramids.
Maybe Ken Ham's Ark exhibit has some of this information?
Date of the flood = ~2300 BCE. We can also see here...

http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/phar/hd_phar.htm

....a recorded and unbroken list of Pharaohs and Queens dating from 2649BCE through to 476CE...a period that allegedly wiped all but 8 humans from the face of the Earth. Note the alleged date of the flood ~2300 and then note the unbroken list of Egyptians through that period....

Teti. 2323–2291 B.C.E
Userkare. 2291–2289 B.C.E
Pepi I. 2289–2255 B.C.E
Merenre I. 2255–2246 B.C.E
Pepi II. 2246–2152 B.C.E
Merenre II. 2152–2152 B.C.E
Netjerkare Siptah. 2152–2150 B.C.E

This is actual recorded Egyptian history we are talking about here and there is no gap around 2300BCE where they were all wiped out.

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There weren't another couple of million animals. The size of Ken Ham's ark, being like that in size to Noah's shows it was not built for millions of animals. It has already been proven that there needed to only be no more than 16,000 land animals including birds on the ark: https://answersingenesis.org/noahs-a...care-for-them/
Then you believe in evolution.

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Old 07-23-2016, 02:19 PM
 
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So what about Ken Ham's ark do you think is a positive thing for people who will visit it in the coming years?
Well, I think it has immense value as an example of an important part of Hebrew mythology, as a part of history when people attempted to explain their confusing world using stories that reflected their attitudes - humans being evil or at least prone to doing bad/slacking, retribution, punishment, hope, the value of doing what one was told without question, an illustration of how "big" they believed their God to be.

It has value in the same way a Greek or Celtic or Japanese mythology exhibit has value. They all help us to peek into the past and see how people dealt with a scary world in the absence of scientific knowledge. They're part of man's intellectual evolution. They're a stepping stone in our past.
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