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Old 07-23-2016, 04:44 PM
 
Location: West Virginia
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I'm certainly not trying to prop up the idea that the flood/ark story is historically accurate or that Noah is a historical figure, which I don't believe, but I think it's interesting that the Masons (who also accept Noah's Ark as a symbolic and allegorical tale) venerate Noah as "The Great Navigator."
No Lodge I've ever been in over the past 20 years has ever mentioned Noah in any Masonic ritual.
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Old 07-23-2016, 04:45 PM
 
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The Freemasons are a pretty religious group. If you don't believe in god you can't be a member.
Not quite accurate. You must profess a belief in a Supreme Being. Details are unimportant.
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Old 07-23-2016, 04:48 PM
 
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If one could reason with religious people, there would not be religious people.
 
Old 07-23-2016, 04:49 PM
 
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Well, at least you gave us your personal opinion. Thanks.
You're welcome!
 
Old 07-23-2016, 04:59 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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I don't know. Why don't you visit Ken Ham's Ark Encounter and find out?
How would he know? "Were you there?"
 
Old 07-23-2016, 06:07 PM
 
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I don't care WHAT that moron Ken Ham said. I happen to know a great deal about naval matters. How much does Ken Ham know?
Enough he made sure he built his ark on dry land so everyone wouldn't point and laugh at him when it sunk.
 
Old 07-23-2016, 06:26 PM
 
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For thousands of years the Israelits didn't consider Genesis to be mythology. Many today still believe it to be factual.
Oh, this is the criteria? The religion must be thousands of years old and many must still believe in it, fully, today?

So what you're saying is that Brahma is the real God?

I am so relieved we have finally cleared that up.

FWIW, Brahma is a little older than Yahweh, unless you include Yahweh's original role as one among a pagan pantheon in the Middle East, in which case the two may be somewhat more neck-and-neck. In your "thousands of years" are you including when Yahweh was a pagan war god? If it's an age of origins race that could close the gap somewhat and make this all a bit trickier. Thanks for any help here.
 
Old 07-23-2016, 06:46 PM
 
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Oh, this is the criteria? The religion must be thousands of years old and many must still believe in it, fully, today?
The point is that you said it was a myth. I replied that the Israelites for thousands of years never took it as a myth. Therefore it is not a myth because it was not originally written as a myth.

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So what you're saying is that Brahma is the real God?
No, what I am saying is that the historic accounts recorded in Genesis are not considered myths. You said they are. The Israelite people for thousands of years never considered them myths. It is not a matter of "Is Brahma the real God?" The point is that you said the account in Genesis is a myth. The Israelites said for thousands of years it isn't. Stick with that. It's not about Coca Cola, or t.v. or any strange topic you want to bring up to get off on a rabbit trail. Concentrate.

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I am so relieved we have finally cleared that up.
No, you mudied the waters.

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FWIW, Brahma is a little older than Yahweh, unless you include Yahweh's original role as one among a pagan pantheon in the Middle East, in which case the two may be somewhat more neck-and-neck. In your "thousands of years" are you including when Yahweh was a pagan war god? If it's an age of origins race that could close the gap somewhat and make this all a bit trickier. Thanks for any help here.
Hinduism which invented Brahma was actually invented by one of Noah's offspring around 2300 to 1500 B.C.
The Hebrew religion was begun by Adam around 6,000 years ago with sacrifices and how to properly do them and communication with Yahweh.

Ken Ham may have something concerning this at the Ark display. Maybe you can find out if you visit it.
 
Old 07-23-2016, 06:48 PM
 
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How would he know? "Were you there?"
No, I haven't been there yet. I'm sure you can find out how many babies died if you ask someone there. They probably have the exact number.
 
Old 07-23-2016, 06:50 PM
 
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If one could reason with religious people, there would not be religious people.
Good thing I'm not religious. Religion is the enemy of Christianity.
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