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image if you really had to build a ship that could house millions of animals, some that need specialized climates.it would have to be pressurized and heated because the flood has to cover even the tallest mountains, the staggering amount of food and the enormous staff need to feed and care for the animals(just think how big the staff is at a zoo), also when the flood subsided(where did all the water go???)there were no plants so what did the plane eaters eat?? and the meat eaters would have to eat the plant eaters but that wouldnt last very long. also did he take 2 of every species of plants??fish??? what about all the germs a bacteria??
image if you really had to build a ship that could house millions of animals, some that need specialized climates.it would have to be pressurized and heated because the flood has to cover even the tallest mountains, the staggering amount of food and the enormous staff need to feed and care for the animals(just think how big the staff is at a zoo), also when the flood subsided(where did all the water go???)there were no plants so what did the plane eaters eat?? and the meat eaters would have to eat the plant eaters but that wouldnt last very long. also did he take 2 of every species of plants??fish??? what about all the germs a bacteria??
Aw, come on. You have to have faith. It was magic. A miracle.
image if you really had to build a ship that could house millions of animals, some that need specialized climates.it would have to be pressurized and heated because the flood has to cover even the tallest mountains, the staggering amount of food and the enormous staff need to feed and care for the animals(just think how big the staff is at a zoo), also when the flood subsided(where did all the water go???)there were no plants so what did the plane eaters eat?? and the meat eaters would have to eat the plant eaters but that wouldnt last very long. also did he take 2 of every species of plants??fish??? what about all the germs a bacteria??
First...the story is a metaphor...not a literal account. But then, you probably knew that.
Even if it was supposed to be literal...y'all that criticize it are forgetting the main part of the story. The God entity was behind it all (God even closed the door to the Ark)...He could employ "miracles" to work out any logistical issues. Funny that you didn't remember that part.
So...taking "God performing miracles" to solve any problems into account with the rest of the story you are trying to critique as a literal given...how could there be any issues what-so-ever?
First...the story is a metaphor...not a literal account. But then, you probably knew that.
Even if it was supposed to be literal...y'all that criticize it are forgetting the main part of the story. The God entity was behind it all (God even closed the door to the Ark)...He could employ "miracles" to work out any logistical issues. Funny that you didn't remember that part.
So...taking "God performing miracles" to solve any problems into account with the rest of the story you are trying to critique as a literal given...how could there be any issues what-so-ever?
Maybe to some it is metaphorical, but certainly not to a lot of Christians around here. If it is metaphorical, great. Who cares? If it is meant to be taken literally, as millions do, then it is simply crazy. Saying, "oh, well, if it is literal, MIRACLES!!" doesn't help. It is the same as the whole "Goddunit!" thing.
Maybe to some it is metaphorical, but certainly not to a lot of Christians around here. If it is metaphorical, great. Who cares? If it is meant to be taken literally, as millions do, then it is simply crazy. Saying, "oh, well, if it is literal, MIRACLES!!" doesn't help. It is the same as the whole "Goddunit!" thing.
I'm not talking about the Christians. I'm talking about those making a literal critique of the story to criticize it as impossible.
Breaking down each and every potential issue to note that it couldn't have actually happened.
But if you are gonna make a literal peice-by-peice breakdown assessment of the story...one must also include what the story says about an all powerful God being involved in the whole scenario. Funny that they always leave that most important and notable part out of their literal critique of the story.
If they are gonna assess the story as all a literal given...then the God involvement part is a literal given too.
That metaphor excuse is getting very, very, very old.
Yes, it is.
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Originally Posted by GldnRule
First...the story is a metaphor...not a literal account. But then, you probably knew that.
Even if it was supposed to be literal...y'all that criticize it are forgetting the main part of the story. The God entity was behind it all (God even closed the door to the Ark)...He could employ "miracles" to work out any logistical issues. Funny that you didn't remember that part.
So...taking "God performing miracles" to solve any problems into account with the rest of the story you are trying to critique as a literal given...how could there be any issues what-so-ever?
And, given that you have just recently displayed an inability to accurately discern a metaphor even when it bites you right on the butt, it would behoove you to elucidate on just what, exactly, might cause one to conclude that it is, in fact, intended to be metaphorical.
A metaphor is defined as a word or phrase for one thing that is used to refer to another thing in order to show or suggest that they are similar.
The story appears to me to be intended to be taken as fact. There are far too many details given- dimensions of the ark, time to build it, specificity of the numbers of kinds of animals to be taken, length of time it rained, length of time it bobbed about waiting for the waters to recede, details of the efforts to determine that the land could once again support life...all these things are far in excess of what would be needed for a metaphor/allegory/parable. It all appears to be intended to be taken literally.
What do you propose that such a 'metaphor' would be intended to represent, if not an actual event?
Let's not forget one of the primary reasons given as justification for destroying all of the people- the 'sons of god' being smitten with the beauty of the 'daughters of men' and 'going in unto them', resulting in 'giants', 'men of renown'. *That* certainly doesn't appear to be a 'metaphor' for anything. It appears to portray a significant problem- junior godlings mating with human women and producing hybrids that were bigger, better and badder than ordinary mortals. (We can leave aside the issue of the apparent inability of daddy god to control his godling 'sons' and prevent *them* from despoiling his creations against his wishes...but if his godlings can be trusted not to be naughty, how could it be expected of mere mortals?)
And then you want to add magical miracles to it to solve the 'logistical issues'...to what end? Why not just magic all the 'bad people' away and start over? Don't try to argue that the 'lesson' (if any) would not have been learned without all the trial and tribulation, since it was all unsuccessful anyway and the people were once again 'corrupted' (just ignore the massive failure *that* represents).
No, there is no way that any reasonable reading of this story can conclude that it represents a metaphor.
I'm not talking about the Christians. I'm talking about those making a literal critique of the story to criticize it as impossible.
Breaking down each and every potential issue to note that it couldn't have actually happened.
But if you are gonna make a literal peice-by-peice breakdown assessment of the story...one must also include what the story says about an all powerful God being involved in the whole scenario. Funny that they always leave that most important and notable part out of their literal critique of the story.
If they are gonna assess the story as all a literal given...then the God involvement part is a literal given too.
Ok then. My point remains though. If taken literally, the story is idiotic at best. The point people make when regarding whether it could have happened or not, is normally regarding the logistics of the story, not whether or not God did all these miracles (which are not mentioned in the Bible FYI) to make it happen. God can make miracles happen? Great. So how did he miraculously get all the animals to go there, feed the animals, house the animals, make the boat stay together, keep all plant life from dying, etc etc? Just waved his hand and said, "It shall be!"?? If the only answer to that is "Goddunnit!", then it just proves how silly and stupid the story truly is.
If taken literally, like a lot of Bible believers do, then yea, sure you can simply say, "Goddunnit!". However, that doesn't keep people from telling you just how stupid you have to be to believe it. As a non believer, you can look at the story logically and find all sorts of holes. The fact that there is ZERO evidence for this world wide flood is a big one, God or not. Again, as a believer, sure, you could say, "Well, God waved away the waters and poofed all the plants back into existence, and he put all the animals into a coma, and made then 1/4 of their normal size, blah blah blah," but again, it doesn't keep people from telling you how stupid that is. (Not you of course, but those who say such things.)
I understand what you are saying, but I am trying to explain that even given that the non believer must take it ALL literally, including the God part, it still makes for a very silly story, and the fact that there is no evidence and nothing other than a book filled with lies, errors, and inaccuracies to corroborate it, it makes no since to ASSUME that it is true.
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