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Old 08-04-2017, 11:09 AM
 
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Do you have any confirmed examples of any God showing up at ANY injustice?
Well if He did, then you would blame Him for genocide. The death of Christ allowed for salvation through grace. Therefore God's interaction with His creation in this realm is on an individual basis. No two people walk the exact same path of life. Everyone has problems and struggles. The recent suicide death of Chester Bennington is another reminder that the best things that this life can offer still won't bring happiness.

 
Old 08-04-2017, 12:04 PM
 
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Well if He did, then you would blame Him for genocide. The death of Christ allowed for salvation through grace. Therefore God's interaction with His creation in this realm is on an individual basis. No two people walk the exact same path of life. Everyone has problems and struggles. The recent suicide death of Chester Bennington is another reminder that the best things that this life can offer still won't bring happiness.
I didn't think so.

Why would an omnipotent God require any death for salvation?
 
Old 08-04-2017, 12:15 PM
 
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Well if He did, then you would blame Him for genocide.

How true, lol. Peace
 
Old 08-04-2017, 12:19 PM
 
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Well if He did, then you would blame Him for genocide.

If a god were to exist, he would certainly be responsible for genocide. How could he not be responsible?
 
Old 08-04-2017, 01:59 PM
 
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Couldn't stay away, eh Viz?
We're too irresistible.
 
Old 08-04-2017, 05:08 PM
 
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How true, lol. Peace
It looks to me like Bible literalists are the ones trying to pin genocide on God. Others are saying God wouldn't do that or God didn't do that.
 
Old 08-04-2017, 07:17 PM
 
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It looks to me like Bible literalists are the ones trying to pin genocide on God. Others are saying God wouldn't do that or God didn't do that.
I think they say that the genocides in the Bible were good because they were needed and we can't judge it bad because we are not God. I get the impression that everything good in the world is to God's credit and everything bad is due to man. What some of them get upset with is if we claim that if God is responsible for everything then he is responsible for the bad. I do not see how saying that if there was a God and he creates everything then how can you not say that he also created bad. And even more so is how is questioning their logic on their claim the same as saying that we don't believe in God but everything is his fault.
 
Old 08-04-2017, 08:06 PM
 
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I think they say that the genocides in the Bible were good because they were needed and we can't judge it bad because we are not God. I get the impression that everything good in the world is to God's credit and everything bad is due to man. What some of them get upset with is if we claim that if God is responsible for everything then he is responsible for the bad. I do not see how saying that if there was a God and he creates everything then how can you not say that he also created bad. And even more so is how is questioning their logic on their claim the same as saying that we don't believe in God but everything is his fault.
That's what I heard growing up too. I think it desensitizes people to violence. These groups use it to dehumanize people. "That other person may seem like a good person but their not. God is going to destroy/send them to hell because they aren't good enough to believe the right things." And that's perfect love.
 
Old 08-04-2017, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Well if He did, then you would blame Him for genocide.
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YES, exactly!

The most conspicuous thing about this god of yours is his absence. Makes one think, doesn't it?
 
Old 08-04-2017, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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I see this complaint all the time, but has it ever occurred to anyone making it, that THIS REALM is NOT perfection, this is what happens when you eat of the tokogae? Yet everyone expects G-d to show up in power at every injustice, or there is no G-d. If it was the realm of perfection, none of us would be here. Peace
I assume tokogae is the forbidden fruit? Let's go over this one one more time. God created the forbidden fruit. Got put it in the garden of eden. God put Adam and Eve in the garden of eden. Gold then TOLD Adam and Eve about it! That is sooo wicked! It's quite right that everyone should expect God to show up in power at every injustice!

But why would none of us be here if it were the realm of perfection?
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