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You're not telling the whole story. What about the ethics of the city forcing Ham to charge a special 50 cent tax on every ticket sale and therefore having Ham foot the bill for the city's entire police, fire and EMS department for a small town? If the park has 5000 visitors a day, then I believe that is $2500 a day. Now multiple that by 365 days and you are looking at hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. It sounds to me that the city is trying to take advantage of the park.
No, I'm telling the relevant aspects of the story. Ken Ham did attempt a tax dodge and were caught doing so.
Here's the text of the ordinance, which does not specify 'only the Ark Encounter must pay':
The fee shall apply to every admission within the City for which a charge is made, notwithstanding that the sale of the ticket or other evidence or right of admission thereto is made outside the City
(emphasis added)
Section IV(a):
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Every person who admits an individual to a place because of or as a result of the payment of an admission charge shall collect and pay to the Mayor and/or City Clerk the amount of the Safety and Assessment fee imposed and levied.
(emphasis added)
Ham is not the only person 'footing the bill'; this is a city ordinance and applies to any organization that charges an admission fee.
But as demonstrated here, atheists can just simply claim that having degrees in geology doesn't mean you are intelligent or knowledgeable in the field. Just book smarts, huh?
..but he doesn't have a degree in geology. He has a degree in Environmental Sciences, with an emphasis on Geology and Biology
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Evidence can be highly subjective and tainted by one's on bias beliefs.
It is simply inconceivable to them that they are not 100% right. Because of this, I think, they are attempting to make everything else fit into what they think is the truth. Everything that does not fit their belief must be a lie, incompetent or hates them and their God. Perhaps they just cannot conceive any other reason for not agreeing with them other than bias and hate. They don't see their twists and convolution or how silly some of their ideas are.
This is becoming a much more prevalent view of disagreements in general and I am not sure why.
Evidence can be highly subjective and tainted by one's on bias beliefs.
If only we developed a sort of method that would focus on repeatability, testability, falsification - perhaps some sort of process that would require the formulation of a hypothesis, the testing of same against the evidence, that sort of thing. Could be useful.
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The fact is that the world of academia in fields of science are highly biased against creationism and highly promotive of a secular atheist perspective of the world.
Non-overlapping magisteria. It's called natural science because it operates within the realm of phenomena that can be observed in nature. If you want to insist that there's a supernatural set of events that can't be measured, can't be replicated, can't be supported by evidence but still are totes real, well - the best science can do is shrug. Which is exactly what is happening.
Now, if you insist on playing on science's playing field with your supernatural rule set, then yes - you'll be met with resistance. "God did it" explains nothing unless you provide the evidence for God doing it and - every bit as important - the set of evidence that would prove God didn't do it. (Falsification. Kinda important.)
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So no wonder that a vast majority filtered through such a system comes out being anti-Bible or creationist.
The problem is, there's no scientific evidence for the Bible being literal truth in general, nor for the flood myth to hold water (as it were) specifically.
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The problem I see is that this bias is so intense that if a scientist dares go against the grain and promote evidence that contradicts evolution or supports the Bible, they face the risk of being attacked or discredited by his peers.
Of course they'll be attacked. That is how it works. If you want the glory that comes with overthrowing a scientific paradigm, you better come prepared to defend your thesis.
We do not heap glory on Galileo or Newton or Darwin or Einstein or Bohr because they "went with the grain" and confirmed what was already known, we honor them for overthrowing the old way of looking at things - and for coming armed with the evidence to support them. They were roundly attacked. They brought their evidence. And they formulated their theories so they could be falsified.
When the Ken Hams of this world do the same, they'll be treated with courtesy by actual scientists. Until then, they're a sad waste of time. And Ken Ham has already declared that no evidence will shake his faith in the literal flood, so - he's beyond reach of reason. He's been handed the toolkit of science and he's thrown it away, like a gamer refusing the real world and preferring the one inside the screen in Mom's basement. Lost potential, it's really very sad.
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If only we developed a sort of method that would focus on repeatability, testability, falsification - perhaps some sort of process that would require the formulation of a hypothesis, the testing of same against the evidence, that sort of thing. Could be useful.
Non-overlapping magisteria. It's called natural science because it operates within the realm of phenomena that can be observed in nature. If you want to insist that there's a supernatural set of events that can't be measured, can't be replicated, can't be supported by evidence but still are totes real, well - the best science can do is shrug. Which is exactly what is happening.
Now, if you insist on playing on science's playing field with your supernatural rule set, then yes - you'll be met with resistance. "God did it" explains nothing unless you provide the evidence for God doing it and - every bit as important - the set of evidence that would prove God didn't do it. (Falsification. Kinda important.)
The problem is, there's no scientific evidence for the Bible being literal truth in general, nor for the flood myth to hold water (as it were) specifically.
Of course they'll be attacked. That is how it works. If you want the glory that comes with overthrowing a scientific paradigm, you better come prepared to defend your thesis.
We do not heap glory on Galileo or Newton or Darwin or Einstein or Bohr because they "went with the grain" and confirmed what was already known, we honor them for overthrowing the old way of looking at things - and for coming armed with the evidence to support them. They were roundly attacked. They brought their evidence. And they formulated their theories so they could be falsified.
When the Ken Hams of this world do the same, they'll be treated with courtesy by actual scientists. Until then, they're a sad waste of time. And Ken Ham has already declared that no evidence will shake his faith in the literal flood, so - he's beyond reach of reason. He's been handed the toolkit of science and he's thrown it away, like a gamer refusing the real world and preferring the one inside the screen in Mom's basement. Lost potential, it's really very sad.
Ham is not the only person 'footing the bill'; this is a city ordinance and applies to any organization that charges an admission fee.
Looks to me that this ordinance was put in place after the park. We all know that in this small town, Ken is the only one affected here. It sounds to me that the city is the one trying to pull a fast one demanding a huge payout after Ken had already built the Ark. The city is getting their money from Ken, and attendance has been quite successful this year. Ken reported 8,000 visitors on Saturday.
But keep trying. I know atheists desperately want to see this park fail which is really sad and pathetic.
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Yet another theist lie.
