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Old 07-10-2016, 12:00 PM
 
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The Jewish people are under Roman control and don't like paying taxes to Rome and have incited military rebellions. Book comes out about a pacificist Jew who tells his people
  • to put away their swords
  • that a particular Roman centurion has more faith than any of them do
  • to pay their taxes ("Render unto Ceasar ...")
  • that he will return within a "generation" and "bring a sword" and that "not one stone [of the temple] will be left on top of another"

and who gets killed by his people. The books all drive home the point that his own people killed him and the Roman governor Pilate was an innocent go-between who is nice enough to release a prisoner named who Barabas who had led an insurrection against Rome.

Historically, within a generation (< 40 years) of when the character lived, the Jews lead a military rebellion which gets squashed by the Romans and the temple gets knocked down in the process.

Hmmmm ...
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Old 07-10-2016, 12:19 PM
 
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Ok...so...?

I know what I think, but what do you think?
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Old 07-10-2016, 09:31 PM
 
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O.k. Even if the dozens of different Gospel story versions back then were partly or wholly a secret Roman conspiracy to justify to Jews an attack on rebellious Jews and against Israel's break of many peace/surrender accords, it didn't convert all Jews to Christianity, it just caused more religious strife in the wider Mediterranean and Europe, converting pagans to a strictly anti-polytheism religion.

Sure Nero could be "seen" by some as the "time-wise" possible incarnation of Jesus (Jesus born 4BC before Herod's death, Nero born December 15, 37 AD), but he didn't actively pursue this religious course (that would have made him look bad to Roman religious leaders who hated the massacres/genocides that Jewish settlers had unleashed unsuspectedly upon their Roman neighbors in Egypt and Anatolia), instead persecuting Christians that didn't accept him (his family line) as partly divine (divinely placed (royal birth) for having partly divine psyche/spirit) as all "patriotic" people were supposed to do (pagans who refused were also sent to prison and suspected of siding with sedition).
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Old 07-11-2016, 03:16 AM
 
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Yes and fifty days after the cross of Christ God released His spirit of the day of Pentecost to the name of Jesus and is still releasing today Gods spirit to all people who seek His spirit through obedience to Jesus and His commands for receiving , which is the very heart of the good news of the gospel .....
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Old 07-11-2016, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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The Jewish people are under Roman control and don't like paying taxes to Rome and have incited military rebellions. Book comes out about a pacificist Jew who tells his people
  • to put away their swords
  • that a particular Roman centurion has more faith than any of them do
  • to pay their taxes ("Render unto Ceasar ...")
  • that he will return within a "generation" and "bring a sword" and that "not one stone [of the temple] will be left on top of another"
and who gets killed by his people. The books all drive home the point that his own people killed him and the Roman governor Pilate was an innocent go-between who is nice enough to release a prisoner named who Barabas who had led an insurrection against Rome.

Historically, within a generation (< 40 years) of when the character lived, the Jews lead a military rebellion which gets squashed by the Romans and the temple gets knocked down in the process.

Hmmmm ...
Reputation 666, Looks like antichrist, smells like antichrist and has a 666, lol.
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Old 07-12-2016, 02:36 AM
 
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And if he had been saying that the historic validation of Herod, Pilate and Antipas proves that Jesus, the Gospels and Christianity was true, how much attention would you have paid to "666"?
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Old 07-12-2016, 09:02 AM
 
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And if he had been saying that the historic validation of Herod, Pilate and Antipas proves that Jesus, the Gospels and Christianity was true, how much attention would you have paid to "666"?
And I'm not even sure he's not saying that.
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Old 07-13-2016, 05:28 AM
 
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And I'm not even sure he's not saying that.
Now you mention it, that might be so. It's just a bit annoying when any atheist that gets six hundred and sixty six posts, rep points or anything else, can expect a theist apologist to hint that this proves they are being controlled by Satan, as though Theists never ever reached 666 posts.
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Old 07-13-2016, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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Now you mention it, that might be so. It's just a bit annoying when any atheist that gets six hundred and sixty six posts, rep points or anything else, can expect a theist apologist to hint that this proves they are being controlled by Satan, as though Theists never ever reached 666 posts.
When I was on Hannity forum, we all had a running joke about post numbers and such.


Did you think I was saying he was in league with Satan?





Just a side note.
I was just having fun, 666 is a day. it is the 6th hour of the 6th day in the 6th month in the 6th year.
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