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I had to think about that one! Yes, either Vizio appears to think that Religion has some kind of privileged position in the way it is addressed (theist apologists seem to think they are entitled to be as disrespectful as they like but nobody can even disagree with them, never mind be impolite) or is entertaining the impression that someone is saying he isn't entitled to express religious views, opinions or arguments here, which is the reverse (with the secret card markings on )of the "respect' card "disagreeing with me is tantamount to trying to stop me from expressing support for religion - but this is a religion forum". It's effectively a Strawman ad. hom. fallacy.
I had to think about that one! Yes, either Vizio appears to think that Religion has some kind of privileged position in the way it is addressed (theist apologists seem to think they are entitled to be as disrespectful as they like but nobody can even disagree with them, never mind be impolite) or is entertaining the impression that someone is saying he isn't entitled to express religious views, opinions or arguments here, which is the reverse (with the secret card markings on )of the "respect' card "disagreeing with me is tantamount to trying to stop me from expressing support for religion - but this is a religion forum". It's effectively a Strawman ad. hom. fallacy.
I claim no special privilege. But I do find it interesting that many non-religious come to this board for no reason other than to harass and antagonize.
What's your point? If I got to the forum "about atheism" and post half the nonsense we see here we'd see a backlash.
The only backlash you'd get there is the same as you're getting here . Of course there is the rule against proselytizing - which is simply to prevent evangelistic wasting our time with preaching and appeals to convert. We don't mind proper sensible and open -minded discussion - and we never did. It is only the religious believer, it seems, who take it as a personal affront that we don't meekly shut our traps and creep away.
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I claim no special privilege. But I do find it interesting that many non-religious come to this board for no reason other than to harass and antagonize.
As usual, you apologists for religion misunderstand . We come to this forum to inform, educate, discuss and debate. So do you, or I don't know why you're here at all. That you feel harassed and antagonized is understandable. It's what happens when you are trying defend against a better argument and an increasingly large number of people who are beginning to see it.
I'm glad to see that fundamentalist religious belief and low-information voting are on their way out in the U.S.
Lol. You're kidding, right?
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The disconnect. The violent, furious entitlement. The paranoia. The narcissism. They're all brought to bare on anyone who introduces rational scrutiny to religious zealotry, no matter how gentle they are about it. It says everything you need to know about the religious.
Indeed. Religion can totally warp a person's view of reality, much like a psychoactive drug. And it can be every bit as addictive and life-destroying.
Until mental health care becomes adequate, people will turn to religion (and drugs) to cope with their mental health problems. And we are all worse off because of it. But it's good business for drug dealers and religion dealers.
After all these years, one thing has become painfully clear to me: Plato's allegory of the cave is right on the money; you can try to bring facts and evidence to the minds of human beings, but they will violently, VIOLENTLY defend their delusions against them. Folks will place their opinions in full public view, for everyone to see, but the second you introduce their opinions to facts and evidence, they'll label YOU the bad guy. You can be nice about it. You can be cruel about it. You can be neutral about it. To most human beings, it makes no difference.
The ancient Greek philosophers asked how it was that more than one "god" could exist, and the citizens of Greece tortured and killed them for it. Galileo told the Christian church that planets existed outside of Earth and that those planets weren't orbiting Earth; the Christian church sentenced him to death for it. Charles Darwin showed that animal species' descended from more ancient species' and was met with little criticism, but when he merely suggested that the human species descended from more ancient species', the entire Western religious world called for his death. There has really been no collision between human opinion and objective fact which has not ended in some religious believer getting violent over it. The human ego simply isn't capable of denying its own omniscience. If you don't believe me, study history.
Human society has a way of weeding out bad ideas, and I'm glad to see that fundamentalist religious belief and low-information voting are on their way out in the U.S. In the most religious areas of the country, the divorce rate is 50% higher than in the least religious areas. Violent crime is higher. Teen pregnancy is higher. Marital infidelity is higher. Crimes against property are higher. Infant mortality is higher. Porn viewership is higher. Obesity is higher. Dependence on government programs is higher. Average SAT scores, however, are lower. In almost every measurable sense, fundamentalist religion coincides with the breakdown of society. This trend extends to most places outside of the U.S., and to most points in human history. That's how far civilization can sink without penetrating the religion delusion. That's how much the religious are willing to sacrifice for the sake of maintaining their being "right." Needless to say, slitting your throat (or kicking you out of their house?), will be no small stretch for individuals willing to subject themselves and their loved ones to a third-world quality of life, in the name of religion.
Moderator cut: This paragraph belongs in the Politics forum.
But, of course, I'm the evil, monstrous agent of Satan for mentioning it. When I peacefully erect my Baphomet statue on public grounds, where Christian nativity scenes have stood unquestioned for decades, YOU, religious zealot, are the victim. You're being persecuted, and I am the one who needs to "shut up." In your righteous might, you set fire to my statue and spray paint Christian hate speech on the sidewalk in front of it. Read the news and find out if I'm making this up.
The disconnect. The violent, furious entitlement. The paranoia. The narcissism. They're all brought to bare on anyone who introduces rational scrutiny to religious zealotry, no matter how gentle they are about it. It says everything you need to know about the religious.
Christianity is no way a man made belief , as it has been destroyed in nations of the world in the past and it continued to come right back years later , as this is because it is a work of the living God through the Children of God , as Christianity was developed to be smashed , and then come right back , as it is built on the temple of the Holy spirit and not on mortar and bricks of the temples that can be broken and forgotten like other belief and from the past lost beliefs ............ See America church could be obnoxious to the seculars sinners as they fail to see the offense of their lives , but the error of this church only come comes from a few bad apples who have gone to iniquity and engage in activism without evangelism , so no one is getting saved with their protest ...... Still Christianity has Jesus Christ and He is victory , as even atheism cannot stop Jesus Christ in the world
I claim no special privilege. But I do find it interesting that many non-religious come to this board for no reason other than to harass and antagonize.
Why, do you not claim to be pre-ordained and chosen? That seems to be a special privilege...since there are very few mortals that could ever clam such--the last one being Christ...
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Yes, either Vizio appears to think that Religion has some kind of privileged position in the way it is addressed (theist apologists seem to think they are entitled to be as disrespectful as they like but nobody can even disagree with them, never mind be impolite) or is entertaining the impression that someone is saying he isn't entitled to express religious views, opinions or arguments here, which is the reverse (with the secret card markings on 
)of the "respect' card "disagreeing with me is tantamount to trying to stop me from expressing support for religion - but this is a religion forum". It's effectively a Strawman ad. hom. fallacy.
