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Chemical and Pharmaceutical scientists just don't know what medicines to make. They have to discover what heals what. An all knowing being wouldn't need to do that.
Genetic scientists study genes and DNA. Once again, an all knowing being wouldn't need to do this, especially if he "created" it.
Mechanical and Energy scientists have to figure out how they can manipulate power and how they can make machines that use it to operate. That's why they're still finding new ways to fuel cars. An all knowing being would already know the answers.
Mathematical scientists formulate theories and models based on what they have seen. They need to observe things first to make theories and models that describe how and why they happen.
Science is the study of things, not the creation, which brings me back to the orginal point. Your God, if he exists, is no scientist.
Do you think that God just had all knowledge in an instant and that there is nothing more that HE can imagine and create? Creation is Eternal, it is never finished, and never without that ability to make something new.
Again, you present a narrow interpretation of God's power and processes, joys and abilities.
We haven't even got into us being a work in progress and the earth being restored to its original state. He is the great All-Chemist, the refiner of truth and matter.
Do you think that God just had all knowledge in an instant and that there is nothing more that HE can imagine and create? Creation is Eternal, it is never finished, and never without that ability to make something new.
Again, you present a narrow interpretation of God's power and processes, joys and abilities.
We haven't even got into us being a work in progress and the earth being restored to its original state. He is the great All-Chemist, the refiner of truth and matter.
godspeed,
freedom
It's apparent that you're just using a false definition of science to back your claims up. Anybody who knows the real definition would find your statements laughable. The following statement exposes the whole in your argument..
"Do you think that God just had all knowledge in an instant and that there is nothing more that HE can imagine and create? "
If he can gain knowledge, then him being all knowing is false. If he is always learning new things, then knowing everything is impossible..
You know what I think is so funny, Freedom probably thinks she is going to get an extra star in her crown for coming on here and fighting the good fight.
Again, you present a narrow interpretation of God's power and processes, joys and abilities.
You never seem to be able to elaborate on a specific issue and you just throw out some comments that sounds like a tv preacher. If you really want to persuade anyone that you're on the right track you're going to have to present something logical and get into the details of the conversation.
You never seem to be able to elaborate on a specific issue and you just throw out some comments that sounds like a tv preacher. If you really want to persuade anyone that you're on the right track you're going to have to present something logical and get into the details of the conversation.
And use a correct definition of science. Otherwise, your statements become invalid before you even break them down.
You know what I think is so funny, Freedom probably thinks she is going to get an extra star in her crown for coming on here and fighting the good fight.
You never seem to be able to elaborate on a specific issue and you just throw out some comments that sounds like a tv preacher. If you really want to persuade anyone that you're on the right track you're going to have to present something logical and get into the details of the conversation.
wow, thats a new one....what do you wish me to elaborate on?
You name it, i'll elaborate...then you will change the subject because my elaboration will be inconceivable to you...
Lets try it, we need to keep it within the thread topic or start a new one...
wow, thats a new one....what do you wish me to elaborate on?
Well your comment about God being the ultimate scientist when you said you rejected Man's science, as you called it, was pretty lame. What I'm getting at is the fact that you never get into the fine details of how your religious views make more sense than any argument that someone presents to you in any of the posts I've been reading. If you want to put forward a point of view that will really get people to stop and think you've got to get into specific details and explain why your logic has a better foundation than theirs. Your comment about the amputee who has a feeling of a phantom limb and suggesting that it's probably just his spiritual body which still has all of it's parts is a good example. When you make such a wild claim as that you really should try to back it up with some substance.
I actually posted this becasue I thought it might help gain perspective from how a Christian believes, not to have anyone look like an idiot. Maybe instead of people posting negative comments about the story, someone could post a similar anecdote from a Science perspective.
This way we all may understand each other a little bit better, and in turn, respect each other.
I actually posted this becasue I thought it might help gain perspective from how a Christian believes, not to have anyone look like an idiot. Maybe instead of people posting negative comments about the story, someone could post a similar anecdote from a Science perspective.
This way we all may understand each other a little bit better, and in turn, respect each other.
The thing is, the scientist's arguments were based on logic. The creationist's weren't. He tried to fight the scientist's statements with arguments that sounded the same, but can't be proven or were not using proper logic.
For example, he said evil is the absence of God. That is not logic. That is a conclusion a person comes to based on the scriptures of their religion.
This is the reason I always say that many creationists make arguments and say they are based on logic to make them seem more valid. The thing is, most of them haven't even studied logical reasoning or critical thinking. You don't step into a field you have no knowledge of. That's like being a criminal attorney with no experience or education. It just doesn't work. That's not just theists either. There are also illogical atheists. You shouldn't be stepping into things you know nothing about. If you haven't studied logical reasoning, don't say your arguments are based on logic. That goes for atheists and theists alike. The thing is, in this story, the scientist was actually using logic.
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