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I'm no longer a Christian and I don't "believe in Jesus" as God or as my "savior", just for the record.
But I'm wondering why the bible (and I'm assuming you are including any non-canonical books about Jesus?) would be something you wouldn't consider as proof of the existence of a 'real person'. I mean, I get not accepting that it is all accurate and unembellished -- that, in my mind, is a given. My question would be, where did these writings spring from if not from the existence of an actual historical figure?
I have stated in other posts, but I don't expect anyone to be aware of them, that when I say "Jesus never existed" I'm always referring to the Jesus painted in the gospels who was the Son of God and died for our sins and did all the miracles.
I'm NEVER referring to any one of the hundreds of Yeshuas or Joshuas roaming the hills of Palestine at that time claiming to be the Messiah who the gospel writers plucked out of obscurity to be the template upon which they built all the Jesus mythology.
There's very little material about Jesus in the Old Testament. Some highly symbolic language in Genesis, Isaiah, and other books has been interpreted by Christians to be about Jesus. But the Jews aren't buying it.
And neither are the millions of savvy Christians turning atheist/agnostic who are finding this out.
I have stated in other posts, but I don't expect anyone to be aware of them, that when I say "Jesus never existed" I'm always referring to the Jesus painted in the gospels who was the Son of God and died for our sins and did all the miracles.
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I'm NEVER referring to any one of the hundreds of Yeshuas or Joshuas roaming the hills of Palestine at that time claiming to be the Messiah who the gospel writers plucked out of obscurity to be the template upon which they built all the Jesus mythology.
Okay, so that's your theory? That a bunch of writers all picked a person (the same person, or did they all choose different ones?) and decided to build a myth surrounding that person? Or did one person do that, and then other people followed suit? Or...? Just asking you to flesh this out for me, because it seems improbable to me.
Because it's 66 books. Not 1 big book. 66 books written over a course of thousands of years by different authors, all agreeing on the one thing: Man sinned, God redeemed us through Jesus. To suggest more is needed is simply bias. It wouldn't matter if we produced 300 books, you'd complain it wasn't enough.
I have stated in other posts, but I don't expect anyone to be aware of them, that when I say "Jesus never existed" I'm always referring to the Jesus painted in the gospels who was the Son of God and died for our sins and did all the miracles.
I'm NEVER referring to any one of the hundreds of Yeshuas or Joshuas roaming the hills of Palestine at that time claiming to be the Messiah who the gospel writers plucked out of obscurity to be the template upon which they built all the Jesus mythology.
::Sigh:: Thrill, the Jesus narrative is a spiritual template of how the spiritual understanding of God will evolve, emphasis on SPIRITUAL. Nothing about the Bible or about Jesus has anything to do with archeological HISTORY. That is carnal thinking for carnal minds. The Bible is about the Spiritual, not the carnal or worldly. There is not the remotest doubt about the spiritual existence and significance of Jesus to the evolution of our understanding of God. His impact has been felt for thousands of years.
The entire OT is about him. The coming Messiah. Jews recognize there is a Messiah to come..they just aren't willing to recognize it was Jesus.
Moshiach is not mentioned once in the Torah.
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