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Old 11-06-2017, 01:22 AM
 
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There are many problems with taking the story literally. Some still believe it. I do not.

35k ft of water would leave tell tale traces everywhere, there are none

That much water would kill everyone with that much pressure before the rain. Much less being that high in the atmosphere for so long would kill most folks once the rain fell including the animals.

Would kill everything on land as well and in the ocean throwing salinity levels out of wack. There would be no vegetation nor other animals to eat when they landed. Everything alive before would of rotted out been buried in silt.

There isn't enough water to cover every peak, even if there was it'd kill everything and even if your survived there is nothing to eat for you and all the animals you have with you since the entire food chain is demolished.

Age and the incest fest to repopulate. The Bible loves it's incest. Lack of genetic diversity for the entire planet and every species.

Inability to get everything that could die to the ark, feed, water etc.

Anyway, the entire idea is ridiculous.
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Old 11-07-2017, 10:12 AM
 
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950 years old is just one of many issues. For me, I don't believe for one second that lions lost their appetites for goats during this alleged voyage.
Really, you think it would be impossible to do this, for a God that created the entire universe and everything in it? One that rose from death after 3 days, body and soul...and you think he cant somehow influence behavior in one of his creatures for a month or so...really?
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Old 11-07-2017, 10:37 AM
 
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Really, you think it would be impossible to do this, for a God that created the entire universe and everything in it? One that rose from death after 3 days, body and soul...and you think he cant somehow influence behavior in one of his creatures for a month or so...really?
Yep. Really.

It's absurd with gusts up to Fruitcakeville.
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Old 11-07-2017, 12:42 PM
 
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Really, you think it would be impossible to do this, for a God that created the entire universe and everything in it? One that rose from death after 3 days, body and soul...and you think he cant somehow influence behavior in one of his creatures for a month or so...really?
TRANSLATION: "It's magic!"

If the super-deity can do that, then why not just make a pair of each animal immortal for a month or so? You know, immune to drowning, not needing any sustenance, and so forth. Because the entire point of the ark story is to describe how animals were saved from the fate that would befall them in the conditions of a global flood.

Your Rube Goldberg explanation just makes a laughably absurd tale even more nonsensical.
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Old 11-07-2017, 02:08 PM
 
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950 years old is just one of many issues. For me, I don't believe for one second that lions lost their appetites for goats during this alleged voyage.
No one suggests they did. it's certainly possible that they brought food for the lions in the form of goats.
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Old 11-07-2017, 02:14 PM
 
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There are many problems with taking the story literally. Some still believe it. I do not.

35k ft of water would leave tell tale traces everywhere, there are none
Of course there are. The grand canyon is a perfect example. To make a canyon that big takes a little bit of water a long time or a LOT of water a short time.
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That much water would kill everyone with that much pressure before the rain. Much less being that high in the atmosphere for so long would kill most folks once the rain fell including the animals.
The Bible doesn't suggest that it was 35k up. Nowhere close. There was cataclysmic damage to the surface of the earth, as water came from below as well as from above. No reason to believe the earth wasn't a LOT flatter at that time and Mt. Everest was a result of the flood.
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Would kill everything on land as well and in the ocean throwing salinity levels out of wack. There would be no vegetation nor other animals to eat when they landed. Everything alive before would of rotted out been buried in silt.
Unless the oceans weren't that salty prior to the flood. Or a massive infusion of fresh water diluted them for a time.
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There isn't enough water to cover every peak, even if there was it'd kill everything and even if your survived there is nothing to eat for you and all the animals you have with you since the entire food chain is demolished.
If the peaks were a lot lower, there sure would be. The marianas trench goes deeper than Everest is tall. It probably got deeper in the flood, and the peaks got higher afterward.
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Age and the incest fest to repopulate. The Bible loves it's incest. Lack of genetic diversity for the entire planet and every species.
The human population started with 2 people, and their kids marrying each other. Next question?

Fact is....we all possess that diversity already. It's how 1 twin can be dark and the other blond and blue-eyed.
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Inability to get everything that could die to the ark, feed, water etc.
God sent the animals. Noah had 120 years to prepare for it.
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Anyway, the entire idea is ridiculous.
Glad you're being open-minded.
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Old 11-07-2017, 02:30 PM
 
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Of course there are. The grand canyon is a perfect example. To make a canyon that big takes a little bit of water a long time or a LOT of water a short time.

The Bible doesn't suggest that it was 35k up. Nowhere close. There was cataclysmic damage to the surface of the earth, as water came from below as well as from above. No reason to believe the earth wasn't a LOT flatter at that time and Mt. Everest was a result of the flood.

Unless the oceans weren't that salty prior to the flood. Or a massive infusion of fresh water diluted them for a time.

If the peaks were a lot lower, there sure would be. The marianas trench goes deeper than Everest is tall. It probably got deeper in the flood, and the peaks got higher afterward.

The human population started with 2 people, and their kids marrying each other. Next question?

Fact is....we all possess that diversity already. It's how 1 twin can be dark and the other blond and blue-eyed.

God sent the animals. Noah had 120 years to prepare for it.


Glad you're being open-minded.
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Old 11-07-2017, 03:30 PM
 
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I would believe that the story was not the whole earth but probably the known world, like the Caspian Sea, the Black Sea, and the Mediterranean Sea areas As the civilized world came after Noah in this area of the world .....Still in the 1950-1960s the French Explorer Fernand Navarra discovered and brought back to France petrified oak wood which was honed by man off the Mountain Ararat , which proves that there is a wooden structure on this mountain which was crafted by man
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Old 11-07-2017, 04:42 PM
 
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I would believe that the story was not the whole earth but probably the known world, like the Caspian Sea, the Black Sea, and the Mediterranean Sea areas As the civilized world came after Noah in this area of the world .....Still in the 1950-1960s the French Explorer Fernand Navarra discovered and brought back to France petrified oak wood which was honed by man off the Mountain Ararat , which proves that there is a wooden structure on this mountain which was crafted by man
If that's the case, then God has broken the promise to not send a localized flood. That's happened many times since.
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Old 11-07-2017, 09:36 PM
 
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No one suggests they did. it's certainly possible that they brought food for the lions in the form of goats.
I don't believe that Noah ever existed. And I certainly don't believe there was a global flood.

But here's where things get interesting for the Christian. If you believe in Noah's ark, then you must also believe that Noah and his family were saved because Noah was righteous. According to the bible, we are all descendants of Noah (a righteous man who was blameless and walked with God). That "fact" is a total contradiction to the doctrine of original sin.
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