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I was emailed a link yesterday from a friend in the States. It's a documentary narrated by Ben Stein. I'm over here in Sweden and many of my Swedish friends have said it will never be shown over here. Actually , I believe that is not out of the realm of possibility , since this is an extremely Socialist endoctrinated mindset here and only 1% of the Natives are even religious about anything. The number one religion here is that of the Secular Progressive Movement of which Sweden believes the United Nations is mankind's only hope. The ONLY American films that are celebrated here over and over are "Brokeback Mountain" , any Al Gore & Michael Moore flick.
This is a film about the discrediting of any scientist who find evidence of Intelligent Design of the Universe. Here is the movie trailer I was sent. It is set to be introduced this coming Spring 2008 in the United States. Anyone else has seen this ?
Not sure if this thread will get bumped into the already existing thread on this topic but here's an interesting little article from Richard Dawkins on the movie. Why would the producer stoop to such lows??
'Lying for Jesus?' by Richard Dawkins - RichardDawkins.net (http://richarddawkins.net/article,2394,Lying-for-Jesus,Richard-Dawkins - broken link)
Oh wow! Here's the guy who was kicked out writing about it!
I haven't seen it but i've heard the criticisms to it. Peer review is a process of subjecting the work of an investigator to other experts of the field. Its done anonymously by peers which ensures objectivity and avoids the series of stigmatas that could be associated with the researcher of a controversy. The principle is that any errors will be corrected and if the science is right then a paper delving into the aerodynamics of flying pink elephants will be accepted. Its not a perfect process and has had a few cases where its failed but it tends to get the job done
The problem with ID is that it has no peer-reviewed papers because of the simple fact that there is no positive evidence for it. Its unfalsifiable and so it relies on trying to find holes in evolution under the pretense that if its not one then it must be the other.
What then happens is that because it falls short of scientific scrutiny, the people putting forth the hypothesis decide to appeal to the layman who has a very limited understanding of both issues. People like Michael Behe have stopped writing scientific papers and instead started publishing books for the public.
This of course does not sit well with specialists who rightly take it as if the ID crowd are being sneaky and all matter of fights start from there on
Not sure if this thread will get bumped into the already existing thread on this topic but here's an interesting little article from Richard Dawkins on the movie. Why would the producer stoop to such lows??
'Lying for Jesus?' by Richard Dawkins - RichardDawkins.net (http://richarddawkins.net/article,2394,Lying-for-Jesus,Richard-Dawkins - broken link)
Oh wow! Here's the guy who was kicked out writing about it!
Interesting subject isn't it ? I wish I could see the film , but as I stated before , this country of residence that I find myself in , does indeed restrict and censure what goes against it's Socialist Secular Philosophy which it teaches it's own society. So I'm totally dependant on all you outsiders to report back to me.
For the record , I do believe in the Bible's creation account , but I do not believe in Creationism or it's supporters. I think the biggest enemy to the Bible's creation account is not Darwinism , Atheism , or any other secular authority , but rather Christendom itself. They have'nt exactly been a shining example of how life should be lived. Modern secular Europe is living proof of that.
Hope to hear interesting comments on this , and Yay or Nay.
Interesting subject isn't it ? I wish I could see the film , but as I stated before , this country of residence that I find myself in , does indeed restrict and censure what goes against it's Socialist Secular Philosophy which it teaches it's own society. So I'm totally dependant on all you outsiders to report back to me.
For the record , I do believe in the Bible's creation account , but I do not believe in Creationism or it's supporters. I think the biggest enemy to the Bible's creation account is not Darwinism , Atheism , or any other secular authority , but rather christendom itself. They have'nt exactly been a shining example of how life should be lived. Modern Secular europe is living proof of that.
Hope to hear interesting comments on this , and Yay or Nay.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by believing in the Bible's creation account but not believing in Creationism... Could you expand on that a little further??
As for where you live, I assume it is Sweden (by where you put your location). You mean there's no religious indoctrination? No public forcing of "God" down people's throats? You mean it's a rather secular country? I hope the crime rates aren't bad with all of those horrible atheists running around. I'm sure Stockholm is rampant with degenerate HIV-infected, car-jacking, crack smoking gangsters because there's no Christianity broadcast over the public address systems in their schools. I'm also quite certain that the math and science scores are undulating somewhere at the lowest depths of the ranks of the standards for education as compared to countries around the globe.
Then again, perhaps I should look into buying a second home there.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by believing in the Bible's creation account but not believing in Creationism... Could you expand on that a little further??
As for where you live, I assume it is Sweden (by where you put your location). You mean there's no religious indoctrination? No public forcing of "God" down people's throats? You mean it's a rather secular country? I hope the crime rates aren't bad with all of those horrible atheists running around. I'm sure Stockholm is rampant with degenerate HIV-infected, car-jacking, crack smoking gangsters because there's no Christianity broadcast over the public address systems in their schools. I'm also quite certain that the math and science scores are undulating somewhere at the lowest depths of the ranks of the standards for education as compared to countries around the globe.
Then again, perhaps I should look into buying a second home there.
You and I may have more in common than you realize. I've stood back here and watched the mighty Religious Stars or Celebrities fall one by one over there in the USA from my television News here in Sweden. Look at Bush's buddy from Colorado who was against homosexuality or the Richard Roberts money laudering fiasco there in Oklahoma where he took over what Daddy (Oral) started and the list goes on and on.
No I actually find the creationism movement to be an unintelligent story book or fairytale. Too bad they don't offer more scientific research to their argument. No , that account in the Bible and creationism's story are'nt even close. Like I said , when I get more time , I'll help you prove creationism wrong.
Finally I realized that the alchemists were talking in symbols.
Having once been an atheist myself.. (and.. according to the going definition.. i still am).. I am puzzled what all the fuss is about.
All the bible stories are symbolic mythologies.. and to see them otherwise.. is just down to poor reading comprehension.. nothing else.
In fact.. both the bible and buddhism (which also contains stories of miracles).. are actually against supernatural beliefs.. and organized religion.
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Extract from Buddhist Gospels
Kutadanta said:
"I am told that thou teachest the law,
yet thou tearest down religion.
Thy disciples despise rites and abandon immolation,
but reverence for the gods can be shown only by sacrifices.
The very nature of religion consists in worship and sacrifice." [5]
Said the Buddha:
"Greater than the immolation of bullocks is the sacrifice of self.
He who offers to the gods his evil desires
will see the uselessness of slaughtering animals at the altar.
Blood has no cleansing power,
but the eradication of selfishness will make the heart pure.
Better than worshipping gods
is obedience to the laws of righteousness."
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What they both teach is the importance of establishing.. loving kingness.. righteousness.. justice.. wisdom.. peace.. freedom and truth..
Something which any decent atheist can believe in.. and which many.. so called.. religious people are against.
So.. one may well ask.. why all the supernatural stories in the first place.. since.. to the casual reader.. they sound like complete nonsense.. ?
In his student days.. Carl Jung was also an atheist.. that was until he discovered the language of symbolism..
I had the same expereince as Jung.. when I first read though the bible..
The old atheist in me.. said: "This is complete nonsense.."
But once I understood it was written in symbolism.. I realized I was wrong..
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"Light on the nature of alchemy began to come to me only after I had read the text of the Golden Flower, the book of Chinese alchemy. I was stirred by the desire to become more closely acquainted with the alchemical texts.
Occasionally I would look at the pictures, and each time I would think, "Good Lord, what nonsense! This stuff is impossible to understand." But it persistently intrigued me, and I made up my mind to go into it more thoroughly. I soon found it provocative and exciting.
To be sure, the texts still seemed to me blatant nonsense, but here and there would be passages that seemed significant to me, and occasionally I even found a few sentences which I thought I could understand. Finally I realized that the alchemists were talking in symbols.
"Why this is fantastic," I thought. "I simply must learn to decipher all this." By now I was completely fascinated, and buried myself in the texts as often as I had the time."
Extract from "Memories, Dreams and Reflections" by Carl Jung.
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Finally I realized that the alchemists were talking in symbols.
