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Old 04-01-2018, 10:40 PM
 
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You can. It's very empowering, actually.



"Forgiveness is not for them, it's for you" never made sense to me. You can't effectively extend forgiveness without someone receiving it. It is absolutely for them.
Upon forgiving others, a lot of people feel like "heroes of Mercy" and can socially milk such responses for the benefit of their status. People will not like something who is too hard to get along with... But you are right, most social circles accept that there are "unacceptable" extremes that don't deserve unmerited forgiveness.

The other thing is that people's general emotions affect ALL of their interactions. So then, staying angry at some far-away random can affect how much they are capable of having positive interactions with others (though this isn't a rule set in stone).

Also sometimes, people are angry at themselves and don't want to let others know... if you forgive the perp, then there is little way that you could not forgive yourself.
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Old 04-01-2018, 11:02 PM
 
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Default Compulsory love/forgiveness and the demonization of anger and hatred

True forgiveness: "Old acquaintances should be forgotten and never brought to mind."
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Old 04-01-2018, 11:52 PM
 
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Upon forgiving others, a lot of people feel like "heroes of Mercy" and can socially milk such responses for the benefit of their status. People will not like something who is too hard to get along with... But you are right, most social circles accept that there are "unacceptable" extremes that don't deserve unmerited forgiveness.

The other thing is that people's general emotions affect ALL of their interactions. So then, staying angry at some far-away random can affect how much they are capable of having positive interactions with others (though this isn't a rule set in stone).

Also sometimes, people are angry at themselves and don't want to let others know... if you forgive the perp, then there is little way that you could not forgive yourself.
I found that to be true. It seemed like practice to forgive others and then I was able to forgive myself for my own mistakes. Eventually, forgiveness turned into understanding.
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Old 04-02-2018, 12:02 AM
 
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..."Forgiveness is not for them, it's for you" never made sense to me. You can't effectively extend forgiveness without someone receiving it. It is absolutely for them.
it never made sense to you because you don't understand what it is and how it works in terms of healing.
forgiveness IS for you, not for them.
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Old 04-02-2018, 05:57 AM
 
Location: West Virginia
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Several posts were deleted from this thread.

Somebody decided the best way to participate in a discussion in the Religion and Spirituality forum was to copy a post from the Politics and Other Controversies forum and then proceed to reply to it here. I've never seen that work out well.

Making it more difficult, the post quoting features in the forum software were not used, making it considerably more difficult for people to find the quoted posts, and a great deal more time consuming for me to figure out what had been done.

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Old 04-02-2018, 06:27 AM
 
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thanks mes

I still have some welts from my paddling ... but you do an ok job.

thanks for the time you spend.
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Old 04-02-2018, 08:41 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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True forgiveness: "Old acquaintances should be forgotten and never brought to mind."
That's what I call forgive and forget.
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Old 04-02-2018, 09:08 AM
 
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it never made sense to you because you don't understand what it is and how it works in terms of healing.
forgiveness IS for you, not for them.
for both when possible?

"grace", when you accept a person for being the person they are? maybe?
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Old 04-02-2018, 08:37 PM
 
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I found that to be true. It seemed like practice to forgive others and then I was able to forgive myself for my own mistakes. Eventually, forgiveness turned into understanding.
And understanding is the hallmark of true acceptance.
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Old 04-02-2018, 08:43 PM
 
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The forgiveness is for them.

Ho Oponopono
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