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Old 09-17-2018, 01:34 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel View Post
you choose to write a lot.
and on this type of online forum, for the most part people choose to skip such long screeds.
for very good reasons.
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Originally Posted by normstad View Post
Too much for you to understand in one session?
it is a fact that for the most part people choose to skip such long screeds.
that is not about me.
it is a fact regarding this type of forum.

so someone posting excessively long screeds either (a) does not know that, or (b) knows it and doesn't care whether their posts get read by others or not, or (c) they know it but expect others to read their posts anyway.

the thread topic of "basis for morality" very much includes "how we treat others"
and how we treat others is one of the many many very good reasons people have for skipping long screeds.

one of those very good reasons is the double standard of demanding or expecting from others, what they are unwilling or unable to extend to others. in this case communication with dignity and respect. "they can dish it out but they can't take it." they rant and screed and expel all manner of verbal vomit, and yet expect others to read their posts, and when that doesn't happen they throw out more insults. because it's never about "them" it's always about "others."

Stating their views matters to them very much; however how the reader is treated does not matter to them. That is also an aspect of "how we treat others" and why people skip long screeds, because talking at people is all about what they have to say, and does not take into consideration the person hearing it.

or in most cases, walking away from it. that would be a good thread topic in itself, "the problem with excessively long posts and why people skip them" or discussion of what someone else stated "verbosity is not a virtue" with regards to an online forum such as this.

Last edited by Tzaphkiel; 09-17-2018 at 02:20 PM..

 
Old 09-17-2018, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel View Post
it is a fact that for the most part people choose to skip such long screeds.
that is not about me.
it is a fact regarding this type of forum.

so someone posting excessively long screeds either (a) does not know that, or (b) knows it and doesn't care whether their posts get read by others or not, or (c) they know it but expect others to red their posts anyway

the thread topic of "morality" very much includes "how we treat others"
there are a lot of very good reasons people have for skipping long screeds.
one of those very good reasons is the double standard of demanding or expecting from others, what they are unwilling or unable to extend. in this case communication with dignity and respect.

And some people's lips get sore from too much reading.
 
Old 09-17-2018, 01:47 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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Originally Posted by ComeCloser View Post
Yes. The God of the Old Testament made no bones about the fact he was a vengeful and jealous God. He would often test people who claimed to be loyal to him.

God also called upon Abraham to kill his own son; but, he prevented Abraham from completing the assignment. Abraham did pass God's test. He proved he would unquestioningly obey God, although he did agonize over the assignment.

God told Lots family to leave Sodom & Gomorra and to not look back or they will be turned to pillars of salt. What do you think happened? That's right! Lots wife looked back and she became a pillar of salt. God keeps his word here.

What were the people God was asking to be destroyed doing? Were they actually destroyed?
If you are aware that God commanded genocide, then your post #73 makes zero sense.

If genocide is evil, God is evil. If God is not evil, genocide is not evil. It is laughable that any person who is OK with genocide questions the morals of people who aren't.
 
Old 09-17-2018, 01:53 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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Can I have a reference for God commanding stoning? That doesn't appear in my version of the 10 Commandments.
Deuteronony 22:21 for starters. Have you not read the book you are living your life by?
 
Old 09-17-2018, 01:54 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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Are every bit of morality for believers within those ten commandments? Is rape allowed then? What in those ten calls homosexuality a sin?
Rape is allowed. The Bible does not teach against rape.
 
Old 09-17-2018, 02:24 PM
 
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Originally Posted by TroutDude View Post
And some people's lips get sore from too much reading.
And s9me complain that your posts are too short.

Wasn't the OP post also one the long side but apparently his are not problematic
 
Old 09-17-2018, 02:29 PM
 
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Originally Posted by wallflash View Post
So are you saying you would be no idea that it is wrong to rape and murder if the Bible didn't tell you so?
Good point, Wallflash.
How much of our morality has been learned & how much is innate?

That brings up another issue - the bible has influenced much of humanity’s (including Atheists’) beliefs in right and wrong.
 
Old 09-17-2018, 02:30 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel View Post
it is a fact that for the most part people choose to skip such long screeds.
that is not about me.
it is a fact regarding this type of forum.

so someone posting excessively long screeds either (a) does not know that, or (b) knows it and doesn't care whether their posts get read by others or not, or (c) they know it but expect others to read their posts anyway.

the thread topic of "basis for morality" very much includes "how we treat others"
and how we treat others is one of the many many very good reasons people have for skipping long screeds.

one of those very good reasons is the double standard of demanding or expecting from others, what they are unwilling or unable to extend to others. in this case communication with dignity and respect. "they can dish it out but they can't take it." they rant and screed and expel all manner of verbal vomit, and yet expect others to read their posts, and when that doesn't happen they throw out more insults. because it's never about "them" it's always about "others."

Stating their views matters to them very much; however how the reader is treated does not matter to them. That is also an aspect of "how we treat others" and why people skip long screeds, because talking at people is all about what they have to say, and does not take into consideration the person hearing it.

or in most cases, walking away from it. that would be a good thread topic in itself, "the problem with excessively long posts and why people skip them" or discussion of what someone else stated "verbosity is not a virtue" with regards to an online forum such as this.
Or maybe they already know that a sufficient number of readers will read their posts. You seem to have no problem with inserting dictionary definitions of words that most people know. If you think it is immoral t9 post a long post why don't you start the thread on it.

Myself 8 read most of her long posts and skim some people's short ones and if two posters are having a longish feud I skip all those posts. No one is forced to read any single post on this forum. Am why quote a post that is too long to read?
 
Old 09-17-2018, 03:31 PM
 
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Originally Posted by badlander View Post
Or maybe they already know that a sufficient number of readers will read their posts. You seem to have no problem with inserting dictionary definitions of words that most people know. If you think it is immoral t9 post a long post why don't you start the thread on it?

Myself 8 read most of her long posts and skim some people's short ones and if two posters are having a longish feud I skip all those posts. No one is forced to read any single post on this forum. Am why quote a post that is too long to read?
Tzaph is a whiner, not a contributor to intelligent discussion. She is all about how she feels and how she believes she is being treated.
 
Old 09-17-2018, 03:57 PM
 
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD View Post
Tzaph is a whiner, not a contributor to intelligent discussion. She is all about how she feels and how she believes she is being treated.
that's exactly what the basis of morality is about: how we treat others,
and taking responsibility for our own behavior.
It is:
  • talking about behaviors, not individuals (the post above, goes after the person not the behavior; so does the screed)
  • refraining from insult (the post above resorts to insults; so does the screed)
  • taking responsibility for our own behavior (instead of blaming others as the post above does; so does the screed)
  • dignity and respect towards others including those with whom we disagree (which the post above does not demonstrate; neither does the screed)
Trans states it succinctly back in post #5

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Originally Posted by TRANSPONDER View Post
The basis of morality is reciprocity. It is an instinct. It is enhanced by empathy (also an instinct) and the ability to see yourself in the other person's position
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